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Another opinion. I like generalists. Of course, that's probably because I am one. I'm not the be all end all at anything, but I know anywhere from a little to a lot about a whole bunch of technologies and tools. If I had an important project to do, my ideal team would be a mixed team of generalists and specialists. Far too often, a specialist doesn't understand enough about other technologies to understand the pros and cons of a particular approach to something and a project may have to do something in a less than optimal way for one function in order to make it doable at all for another part(is that clear? I hope so). However, when I say generalist, I want someone who is good at something, not univerally bad at everything. That's just my opinion. I see too many people who only know X who think that X is the only true path when there are many paths to a given result.
Dan
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I don't know about this development business. I think about this a lot (I don't have a life).
I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is dead I hear), Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them.
There is just too much for one person to learn and be good at both sides, in my opinion.
If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of people which is composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers, each good in their own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a little of everything.
When you put specialists together with clear areas of expertise, in a team, you may end up with something greater than the sum of its parts (gestalt).
If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end up with... a workgroup and OK result. Probably.
As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server, DB2, and others, and in OSes than in doing development.
That's just my personal preference.
Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and drive a Porsche like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am confident I know enough about the foundation my development work would run on...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will
find
though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.
1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants
to
waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short
for
"senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for
midlevel
positions (based on offered salary).
To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year
dba and
20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to
hit it as
I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work).
The
first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something
special
someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not
my length
of service.
I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I
have
detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as there are many things
involved with
Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount
of
dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better.
Traits I feel are important:
1. Hunger, desire to be the best
2. Ability to stand your ground with developers
3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it
4. Ability to stare at a book for hours
5. Desire to read things just because you want to
6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch
7. Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and
everything is
working (hardly ever)
8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database
problem
unless proved otherwise.
Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year
dba's, but
your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything
with them
after you get your foot in the door. Your recruiter and your resume
is what
is the number 1 factor to just get in the door.
I happen to be better once I am in the door, many people happen to
be better
at getting in the door. You have to be able to do both.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Hi!..
Can someone please help me?
I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half years
and now the recruiters 'complain' that I have
not done any 'designing or development'.
Can someone please advise on 'where do I go from here'?
Thanks
PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such advise, cos
their 'worldview' starts and ends with OCP.
which I find recruiters 'barely notice'!!!!!
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Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com> wrote:
To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
From:Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com>
Date:Fri, 18 May 2001 12:06:50 -0800
Subject:recruiters. Aargh
Funny story from earlier this week. I've been pestered by a
recruiter making
cold calls who is trying to get me to hire an Oracle Developer. I
told her
we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he walked on water, and we
couldn't
pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and told her I would look
at it. Of
course the resume was nothing special. When I told her "the resume
does not
warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I could almost hear the
lightbulb
popping above her head as she contemplated the next call to our
switchboard.
"Warren, is that the name of your manager?" she asked. bye bye.
Henry
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