Re: (Fwd) RE: Oracle Application Development Tools - Statement of

Eric,

I should have known it wasn't you, lacking in verbosity as it was. ;^)

Jared

On Thursday 26 April 2001 13:26, Eric D. Pierce wrote:
> Jared,
>
> Thanks for the comments. Sounds right to me (fwtw).
>
> Anyone remember the infamous ODTUG "developer patch" thread from last
> year? :)
>
> It was a *real* classic, especially given the extreme skepticism that
> several old timers stated about Oracle's ever-shifting development
> "platform" pronouncements as contrasted to the kafka-esque process
> involved in trying to get the bleeting edge Oracle stuff to actually
> work in the "real world".
>
> Anyway, minor clarification, I didn't write the text you quoted, I
> just forwarded it. It was written by:
>
> "Openshaw, Michael"
> < m i c h a e l . o p e n s h a w @ v e r i z o n . c o m >
>
> I pretty sure Mr. Openshaw was just trying to "de-market-speak"
> the stuff from the guy at Oracle, as opposed to stating his own view.
> Note that he starts off saying that he is summarizing Oracle's
> statements, then after doing so, he expresses disagreement with
> Oracle's positions.
>
> regards,
> ep
>
>
>
>
> On 26 Apr 2001, at 12:58, Jared Still scribbled with alacrity and cogency:
>
> From: Jared Still <jkstill_at_cybcon.com>
> To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com, "Eric D. Pierce" <PierceED_at_csus.edu>
> Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Oracle Application Development Tools -
> Statement of Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:58:04 -0700
>
> > On Wednesday 25 April 2001 16:05, Eric D. Pierce wrote:
> > > 2) Java and XML are it; Forms lives only for Apps (Big O hasn't figured
> > > out how to convert themselves).
> > > The Forms and PL/SQL skillsets will fade to black (albeit slowly
> > > in App shops; Apps will probably fade faster).
> > > [P.S. Forms 7 is slated *not* to support Client-server deployment;
> > > be ready out there!]
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > This is reminiscent of the cry 'The Mainframe is dead!'
> >
> > While I'm not personally a Mainframe adherent, it is
> > indeed far from dead.
> >
> > The same is true of Oracle Forms and PL/SQL. They're a
> > long way from dead. This has become more apparent after
> > the dotcom fallout.
> >
> > Six months ago, being a Java programmer was the best position
> > you could be in. Today it's # 3 and falling. Just today I was speaking
> > with one of the principles ( or principal? I dunno ) of a local
> > consulting firm, and he mentioned that he's beginning to get requests for
> > Forms developers.
> >
> > The point being 'They have real work to do'. Imagine that. :)
> >
> > I have nothing against Java and XML, I happen to like them.
> >
> > But they have a ways to go yet before they're anything but bleeding edge.
> >
> > Jared

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