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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> FW: Oracle Application Development Tools - Statement of Direction
FYI, This is from the ODTUG listserv.
It talks about Cherokee, Forms 7 not supporting client/server, Sedona...
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
-----Original Message-----
From: Bala Nemani [SMTP:bnemani_at_khameleonsoftware.com]
<mailto:[SMTP:bnemani_at_khameleonsoftware.com]>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:56 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L Subject: RE: Oracle Application Development Tools - Statement ofDirection
Good Email Michael.
Though it gives negative opinion on dropping products (Sedona), it makes
sense if you think in longer run. The way technology changes, sometimes it
is mandatory to take such actions. Sedona is developed with notion of client
heavy (C++ on client) and Oracle has dropped it because of the thin
client/internet architecture. It is better to drop it prior to hitting
market than after....
On the other hand I like to hear Duncan's inside information on Project
Cherokee prior to a conclusion on Cherokee.
I agree with you on #2. Take the XML implementation (iFS) in the Database as
an example. Both are implemented in Java and Oracle has written few wrapper
PL/SQL packages to access native Java XML parser. In a longer run, I would
not say forms is going away but, you will be writing Java inside forms and
all that good stuff.
#5 is interesting comment too. Unless Designer Repository is linked to
Jdeveloper IDE, I kind of agree with your comment.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 5:58 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L
Direction
Thanks for a little clarity, Bill; even if it's overloaded with
Marketing-speak. Of course, this is the line of the time; in 6 months, who
knows.
Quick summation and filtering of marketing-speak:
1) Cherokee is dead; quit dreaming. It goes to the same graveyard as
Sedona.
2) Java and XML are it; Forms lives only for Apps (Big O hasn't figured
out how to convert themselves).
The Forms and PL/SQL skillsets will fade to black (albeit slowly in App shops; Apps will probably fade faster).
[P.S. Forms 7 is slated *not* to support Client-server deployment;
be ready out there!]
3) Given this, you *will* have to 'take control' of the client browser,
to ensure they are up-to-date (but not too up-to-date) to handle your
applications, whether Jar files or XML implementations.
4) Generation of applications from Designer is on the way out; modeling
only. Back to the great dis-association of the functional models from the
actual application code.
5) The repository's future purpose will be as a high-dollar replacement
for PVCS, SourceSafe, etc.
All of this wouldn't bother me as much if I'd heard of *one* major internet site primarily done with either Forms and/or JDeveloper. And, as far as I know, the ODTUG site has the most complete Portal implementation to date outside of Oracle.
I hope somebody will alleviate my ignorance if this is not true, and list real sites who are currently using this stuff (outside of Oracle itself).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Dwight [SMTP:william.dwight_at_oracle.com]
<mailto:[SMTP:william.dwight_at_oracle.com]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 3:26 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L
> Subject: Oracle Application Development Tools - Statement of
> Direction
>
> > Oracle Application Development Tools
> >
> > Statement of Direction, April 2001
> >
> > Oracle9i is the first complete and integrated software
solution for
> > developing and deploying the next generation of Internet
applications
> that
> > can be delivered as online services. Oracle9i consists
of the Oracle9i
> > Database, the Oracle9i Application Server, and the
Oracle9i Developer
> > Suite. Oracle9i offers unified support for Java, XML,
HTML, SQL, and
> > PL/SQL. It supports all of the latest J2EE APIs - such
as Servlets 2.2,
> > JSP 1.1, JMS 1.0.2 and EJB 1.1 - and all the latest XML
standards - such
> > as XML Schema, DOM and SAX 2.0, and SOAP 1.1.
> >
> > Oracle9i Developer Suite
> >
> > In keeping with the overall Oracle9i strategy, Oracle9i
Developer Suite
> > provides the most complete and integrated development
environment for
> > building Internet web applications and services.
Oracle9i Developer
> Suite
> > includes the following components:
> >
> > Application Development
> > - Oracle JDeveloper
> > - Oracle Forms Developer
> > - Oracle Designer
> > Business Intelligence
> > - Oracle Discoverer Administration Edition
> > - Oracle Reports Developer
> > Enterprise Portals
> > - Oracle Portal
> > Software Configuration Management
> > - Oracle Repository
> >
> > Application Development
> >
> > From an application development perspective, the
strategic direction is
> to
> > provide a single Integrated Development Environment
(IDE) that offers
> > complete support for:
> >
> > Any language
> > - Java, XML, HTML, SQL, PL/SQL
> > Any operating system
> > - Windows, Unix, Linux
> > Any development style
> > - UML modeling, RAD/4GL, component-based, 3GL
> > Any of the latest Internet standards
> > - J2EE, XML, SOAP
> > Any phase of the development lifecycle
> > - Design, implementation, compilation, debugging,
deployment,
> performance
> > and memory tuning, monitoring, application integration,
and
> configuration
> > management
> >
> > In addition, for productivity and performance, Oracle9i
Developer Suite
> > offers a common component-based framework for defining
reusable
> > transactional business logic. The framework deploys to
the standard J2EE
> > platform.
> >
> > Starting with Oracle9i Developer Suite, Oracle
JDeveloper serves as the
> > basis for the common IDE, and Business Components for
Java (BC4J)
> provides
> > the common transactional business logic framework.
Highlights of new
> > application development capabilities in Oracle9i
Developer Suite
> include:
> >
> > - 100% Java IDE available on Windows, Unix, and Linux
> > - Integrated UML modeling with automated synchronization
between
> diagrams
> > and code
> > - Schema driven XML editing
> > - SQL and PL/SQL development support
> > - Integrated Java performance and memory profiling
> >
> > To maximize the level of integration, all new
application development
> > offerings will be part of the common IDE and will fully
leverage BC4J.
> As
> > a result of this strategic direction, Oracle has decided
not to release
> > Project Cherokee as a standalone product in either
Oracle9i Developer
> > Suite or Oracle9i Application Server. Instead, the
Cherokee technology,
> > ideas, expertise, and RAD development style will be
folded into the
> common
> > IDE and tightly integrated with BC4J.
> >
> > Oracle Forms is the leading 4GL tool, used by hundreds
of thousands of
> > developers all around the world. Oracle Forms provides
the underlying
> > infrastructure for Oracle's ERP application suite -
Oracle E-Business
> > Suite, and the recent availability of Release 11i is
evidence of the
> > incredible power and robustness of Oracle Forms. Oracle
will continue
> to
> > enhance Oracle Forms and support its large installed
base.
> >
> > Oracle Designer provides an intuitive environment to
model applications
> > and databases. Oracle Designer automatically generates
Oracle
> Forms-based
> > applications from these models enhancing developer
productivity.
> > Leveraging Oracle Repository, Oracle Designer enables
collaborative
> > development enhancing team productivity. Oracle will
continue to enhance
> > Oracle Designer and support its large installed base.
> >
> > The Oracle9i integrated approach stands in stark
contrast to the
> > alternatives available elsewhere: complex and expensive
multi-vendor kit
> > approaches that require multiple standalone tools and
servers for
> > different languages, operating systems, development
styles, and phases
> of
> > the software development lifecycle. With Oracle9i,
Oracle offers a more
> > complete, integrated, and standards-based software
infrastructure than
> any
> > other vendor.
> >
> > William Dwight
> > Vice President
> > Application Development Tools
> > Oracle Corporation
> > william.dwight_at_oracle.com
<mailto:william.dwight_at_oracle.com>
> > << File: winmail.dat >>
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