Re: 9iAS -- Boxes on which to run

On 12 Apr 2001, at 16:30, elkinsl_at_flash.net wrote:

Date sent:              Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:30:24 -0800
To:                     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

> Currently running a Dev2k 2.1 web enabled application using 7.3.4 on an
> HP-UX V2500 16 processor box with the Forms servers and OAS 3.x running on
> 5 HP-UX "D" class machines

...

> ... Oracle is
> telling the operations folks that a couple of "inexpensive" dual processor
> Intel boxes could easily handle the Forms Server load.

...

> Anyway, all of this is way out of my realm of experience, and, the
> operations folks aren't real sure either about how to proceed. So, I told
> them I would pose this question to one of the list servers I follow and see
> if anyone has anything they would like to share.

Larry,

Just in case you didn't know, and it might be pertinent, any NT (&Win/2000) database from 8.1.7 on supposedly can't run on the same machine as the Forms web server.

(I just realized that you didn't actually say you are planning on running on NT.)

Anyway, see below for something vaguely relevant from the Win-NT listserv about problems estimating capacity of NT "file" servers (not including database and web considerations):

---original message follows---
Date sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:54:07 -0400

I've done 1500 [users on] a fully-switched, 100Mb environment, with RAID1 & RAID5 on 600Mhz boxes.

Of course, we're only talking documents and printers here, not apps, and there were quotas in place.

Depends on the users, though, and the concurrency (I didn't have more than 900 users at a time)

Lots of factors to consider, which is why there are no really good benchmarks as yet.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:44 PM
To: WINNT-L_at_PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM

that's a good question. with my estimate of 300-600, I was thinking about the way we set it up. We put the outlook mailboxes on the servers. If you are forcing users to keep netscape profiles on there too, take some numbers off. If you are not forcing users to use the fileserver, either with policies or gentle persuation through configuring their my docs directory over there, and if you not are replicating folders with robocopy of something, only about half your users will actually use the filserver. Double your number. I still think 2000 is a little high, Andrew.

"Baker, Andrew" wrote:
>
> Define "regular business applications"
>
> Different environments and users will lead to different capacities.
>
> Without breaking out Perfmon, I'd feel comfortable throwing 1-2 thousand
> users on those boxes. Of course, the file subsystem becomes a key
> component. Setup the file system poorly, and you'll be lucky to put 500
> people up there....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doyle, Mark [mailto:mark.doyle_at_VERIZON.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:50 PM
> To: WINNT-L_at_PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Subject: How many users per server?
>
> It's a simple question, but I've been unable to find a reference or even
> a rule of thumb for how many users (of a given type) a file/print server
> (of given hardware) can handle. I'm hopeful that someone either knows a
> reference I can refer to or is willing to share their experiences.
>
> In the early beta of Win2k MS was saying that a P2-600 with 512mb could
> handle "up to" 300 average business users. and in the distant past many
> people I know went by 100 users per server, but servers are more
> powerful now and I doubt that's still valid.
>
> So...
>
> For a Windows 2000 Server doing *just* file and print for users who are
> doing *just* regular business applications how many users could a dual
> processing P3-800 with 512mb ram handle? What about a dual processor
> P2-600 with 512mb RAM?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> -Mark

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