RE: why is there dinosaur statues and evolution of human concious

From: Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130) <MATT.ADAMS_at_APPL.GE.COM>
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:34:10 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.002E32C9.20010405132029@fatcity.com>

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 

Eric, you have entirely too much free time on your hands. ;)

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                 - Larry Wall (creator of Perl)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric D. Pierce [mailto:PierceED_at_csus.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:00 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: why is there dinosaur statues and evolution of human
> conciousness / RE: OT : Sinclair was RE: Metalink Again
>
>
>
> On 5 Apr 2001, at 11:01, David Messer wrote:
>
> Date sent:            Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:01:26 -0800
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>
> > But, Eric, I'm not out to prove anything. 
>
> Never said you were.
>
> By "proof" I meant when two competing pieces of "factual" information
> (or references to such) are posted to a public list, then questions
> can, and perhaps ought to, be raised as to the veracity/legitimacy of
> the sources of the information, and the nature of the "truth claims"
> represented by the different perspectives in the argument.
>
>
> >I'm only trying to show Gates in
> > the worst light possible.  My desire to do so derives from
> working day in
> > and day out with Microsoft products.
>
>
> I'm not exactly a fan of Gates/MS, and don't consider myself in
> opposition to your main point, but I would suggest that if one has to
> lie, deceive, or misrepresent in order to make the point, then one is
> potentially exposing oneself to valid criticisms about a lack of
> ethical consistency, and beyond that, the general efficacy of such
> tactics.
>
> For background on tendencies toward dysfunctional (self-defeating)
> nature of "social change" paradigms (and related tendencies toward
> ideological/political oppositionality), I would suggest reading Rabbi
> Michael Lerner's book "Surplus Powerlessness" (related commentary at
> http://www.tikkun.org/).
>
> As I've said before, I think the sociological backdrop to the debate
> about MS has to do with the conflicts in the value systems and "world
> views" of:
>
>

>  1) the (old time) industrial strength technical/engineering "purists"

>
> and
>

>  2) the "populists", unfortunately including Gates, that weren't
>     afraid to do the messy job involved in taking the technology to
>     the masses (cheaply).

>
>
> These "opposites" are obviously an oversimplified representation of
> the extreme ends of a spectrum containing more complex elements, and
> also mirror pre-existing elements in broader scientific, technical
> and business "subcultures".
>
> I think that part of the reason that the tech elites and "purists"
> may hate Gates so much is because they realized, to late, that they
> lost a great opportunity make a lot of money in the mass market
> because of the limitations that their "purist" engineering/tech
> aesthetic placed on their entreprenurial vision & reach. In the era
> when "big iron" and extremely expensive software reigned supreme, the
> "purist" aesthetic proved to be very successful, but it wasn't
> universally competitive once the feasibility of a "mass market"
> approach emerged.
>
> Ironically, the value systems of tech purists tend to align with
> libertarianism (which I personally think is virtuous, at least when
> seen from the perspective of a
> progressive/integrative/univeralist/constructivist evolutionary model
> of human conciousness based on the emergence of
> transformational/transcendent archetypes, such as Ken Wilber's),
> whereas PC technology essentially originally came from the great
> state sponsored "establishmentarian" science and technology
> development efforts in the space program and defense establishment.
>
>
> On the other hand, as various people have pointed out, I could be
> completely full of cr*p. :)
>
>
> (apologies in advance to the old timers for duplication of info)
>
> regards,
> ep
>
>
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