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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> RE: OT -- Canada and U.S. (was: oracle and America)
Bravo!
Canada is wonderful place!!! What a boring little planet this would be if we all thought the same way. God save us from 'one size fits all'.
As a Northwesterner, I find myself having more in common with Canada, esp. British Columbia, than those "bubba's" in Washington, DC.
john f. lewis
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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Well, that's a bit of a flame, also coming from an anonymous Hotmail account I see. (Hotmail is always anonymous, although I believe the accounts can be traced)
When I lived in Ottawa I used to know someone from Spain who talked about Canadians not being aggressive enough, people should fight their government, etc. etc. but look at the result - bombings, etc. and for many years, a dictatorship. Life is short, why waste time bashing each other over the head. Do what you can to leave a good mark, while you can. Violence doesn't solve anything, but I agree that sometimes situations are unbearable. Work through them. Economic disparities can cause major problems, I agree that's pretty obvious. But there are a lot of factors at play in that.
It's ironic that in some cases people who are very aggressive end up with a dictatorship... I think that says a lot about the authoritarian personality (read Erich Fromm).
There is something to be said for being assertive but not aggressive, it helps reduce the crime rate for example. Being assertive doesn't mean being passive. You can be a goat, don't have to be a sheep or a wolf.
Kimberly moved to the U.S. because she got a good offer through EDS and because after Y2K, the opportunities here in Halifax were not what they were before Y2K. I am sure she would have been able to find something in Halifax, or in Canada, but she probably got a better offer in the U.S. first. There are a number of Americans working in Canada, and vice versa. Canada is the U.S.'s largest trading partner, and we have a Free Trade Agreement with our southern neighbors. The two cultures have a lot in common.
Our economy is beginning a bit of a slump right now, but overall it hasn't been that bad. I read last night that there are many H1-B visa people in the U.S. who have been laid off by high-tech firms, now they have 2 months to find another job or they have to leave.
Taxes here are higher than in the U.S., and we have a smaller population therefore some people who can do it go south to find better opportunities.
I agree with you that one should not follow without thinking, it would prove the behaviorists right. We are all just a bunch of conditioned animals then if that's true. It is better to remain conscious I think, between the stimulus and the response. I believe that some eastern groups are better at this than we are. At least they talk about it more, whether they actually practice mindfulness or not is another matter.
Also, our past Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau used to say that when you sleep next to elephant, every time he shifts in his sleep you go into alert mode. (this is not an exact quote, but you get the idea).
I have a long list of things I would like to get done if I was Prime Minister, but my wife said she would leave the country if that ever happened. I am sure a lot of Americans think about what they would do if they were to become President. But how much influence do those jobs really have nowadays? Don't know. I suspect a lot of people just complain but assume that nothing can be done to improve things.
Anyway, that's my take on this.
: )
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
-----Original Message-----
From: Raghu Kota [SMTP:raghukota_at_hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:36 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: oracle and America
I agree with Kimberly, I don't why Canada simply following US?? I
think
Canada has every capacity to emerge as powerful nation. Simply
following
with out any backbone creates lot of problems in economy and society
too.
>From: Kimberly Smith <kimberly.smith_at_gmd.fujitsu.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: oracle and America
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:16:25 -0800
>
>The sad part is the Canadian government feels compelled
>to follow the Americans are replacing some of their
>apps that ran on Unix to Windows. Actually, the app is
>an American one that they let us use. A lot of critical
>stuff is still on Unix. Then again, ours ships really
>don't need reliable stuff as we don't do anything except
>support:-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 2:07 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Holy mackerel!
>
>I hope there isn't some rogue nation buying all our old VAX
clusters to run
>their navy. We'll get our behinds kicked!
>
>
>- Jerry
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:06 AM
>
>
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Boivin, Patrice J wrote:
> >
> > > I thought I heard a story about a U.S. Navy ship that was
towed to
>port
> > > because its systems ran on WindowsNT...
> > >
> > > Maybe it was an urban myth.
> > >
> > > I was glad to hear that the Boeing planes run on UNIX.
> > >
> > > ; )
> > >
> > > Patrice Boivin
> > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
> > No myth this. ( yeth? ;)
> >
> > Here's a reference:
> >
> > http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm
> >
> > Jared
> >
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