From Glenn.Travis@wcom.com Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:09:01 -0800 From: Glenn Travis Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:09:01 -0800 Subject: RE: RE: OT NT2K vs Unix. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Title: RE: RE: OT NT2K vs Unix. Here you go: Best of both worlds   Win4Lin: Running Windows Applications Under Linux (Does everything except games).   http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2957/1/
-----Original Message-----From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Mohan, RossSent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:38 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: RE: OT NT2K vs Unix. How about WORD2000 for Solaris 8??? Works great!!! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Kostyszyn [mailto:kevin@dulcian.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: OT NT2K vs Unix. What about Mechwarrior or Quake II, can I run that on Unix and will it run smoothly?  This is a fun debate, but I do agree there will never be a winner. -----Original Message----- dgoulet@vicr.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I believe I've seen a shareware version of that out on the web somewhere for various flavors of Unix with X-windows. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: "Kevin Kostyszyn" Date:       2/1/2001 1:18 PM Oh, and not only that, I like the GUI a lot more than I like command based programming...unless.....can you play solitaire on Unix:)   -----Original Message-----   From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Welch   Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:28 PM   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L   Subject: RE: OT NT2K vs Unix.   From the URL: http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/overview/r eliable/default.asp   PCs Stay Up and Running   Memory conflicts and missing or altered system files caused many of the system crashes prior to Windows 2000. To put an end to these problems, we changed Windows 2000 memory management to reduce the chance that software applications will interfere with one another.   Applications runing in a seprate memory area...HMMMMMM Unix did that 15 years ago.   Fewer Reboots   Performing routine maintenance on your system requires significantly fewer reboots, therefore less downtime, with Windows 2000. In addition, with its support for Plug and Play, Windows 2000 automatically recognizes and adapts to hardware changes. This means users can easily add hardware devices such as scanners, DVD players, and speakers without rebooting, and with less potential for user error.   Reboots are also reduced-and reliability increased-through the Microsoft hardware device driver certification program. This program helps ensure that hardware drivers are compatible with Windows 2000, and do not require a reboot after installation. Certified drivers are tested and digitally signed by Microsoft. If Windows 2000 detects a driver that Microsoft has not digitally signed, it warns users about the risk before they install it on their system   Not having to reboot after installing an application....Unix from it's beginings.   How Much More Reliable Is Windows 2000 Professional?   Third-party studies that assess reliability from three different perspectives-lab-based testing, customer-site measurement, and user perceptions-conclude that Windows 2000 Professional is the most reliable desktop operating system.   Highest Reliability in Production Environments   NSTL collected uptime data in the real-world environment of several customer sites and concluded that the average system uptime between failures of Windows 2000 Professional is 13 times more than that of Windows 98 and three times more than that of Windows NT Workstation 4.0.   Notice no comparison to Unix. It's like people that hangout with socially unacceptable people to make themselves look better (Hey! Wait a minute! Is that why alot of people want to hang out with me? ). I guess you're right they aren't the same. Unix posts much higher numbers.   Sorry, it's sarcastic Thursdsay here. I love the debate about Windows and Unix. ;o)     Kevin Kostyszyn wrote:     I would disagree with that, how is Windows becoming like Unix?       -----Original Message-----       From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Welch       Sennt: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:01 PM       To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L       Subject: Re: OT NT2K vs Unix.       The same prediction was made at least 5 years ago. At the rate Microsoft is going, Windows will be a direct form of Unix. It becomes more like it with every release.       -Rocky         "Mohan, Ross" wrote:         Yea, but......         Win2K Datacenter will just decimate Unix. I predict that, in         5 years, there will be two or three Unix vendors, fighting over         the 45% of the market that DataCenter hasn't eaten.         -----Original Message-----         From: Steve Orr [mailto:sorr@arzoo.com]]]         Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:01 PM         To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L         Subject: RE: OT_RE:_Ref._:_Re:_asyn_i/o_on_sun_         Close. It's Dave Cutler. There's too much old DOS/Windows backward         compatibility for WinNT/2000 to achieve stability like VMS despite Cutler's         leadership.         I knew VMS and you, Mr. NT, are no VMS!         With apologies to Senator Bentsen,         Steve Orr         -----Original Message-----         stephane         Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:22 AM&<         To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L         NT is based on VMS (talk about a real OS) and if my         memory is good the guy's name is Cutter.         Do I win a toaster ? a microwave oven ? a palm-pilot ?         --- "Mohan, Ross" a ecrit : >         "...Standing,  corrected, and sniggering....."         > Odd picture, that......         >         >         > Anyways, pop quiz:         >         > On what OS kernel technology is NT based?         >         > Who was the original designer and what was his/her         > first OS?         >         >         --         Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.oraaafaq.com         --         Author: Steve Orr           INET: sorr@arzoo.com         Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051         San Diego, California      &&  -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists         --------------------------------------------------------------------         To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message         to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in         the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L         (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may         also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --------------------------------------------------------------------------       Do You Yahoo!?       - Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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size=2>Oh, and not only that, I like the GUI a lot more than I like command based programming...unless.....can you play solitaire on Unix:)
   

From the URL:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/over vi ew/reliable/default.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professi onal /solutions/overview/reliable/default.asp

 

PCs Stay Up and Running

 

Memory conflicts and missing or altered system files caused many of the   system crashes prior to Windows 2000. To put an end to these problems, we   changed Windows 2000 memory management to reduce the chance that software   applications will interfere with one another.

 

Applications runing in a seprate memory area...HMMMMMM Unix did that 15   years ago.

 

Fewer Reboots

 

Performing routine maintenance on your system requires significantly fewer   reboots, therefore less downtime, with Windows 2000. In addition, with its   support for Plug and Play, Windows 2000 automatically recognizes and adapts to   hardware changes. This means users can easily add hardware devices such as   scanners, DVD players, and speakers without rebooting, and with less potential   for user error.

 

Reboots are also reduced-and reliability increased-through the Microsoft   hardware device driver certification program. This program helps ensure that   hardware drivers are compatible with Windows 2000, and do not require a reboot   after installation. Certified drivers are tested and digitally signed by   Microsoft. If Windows 2000 detects a driver that Microsoft has not digitally   signed, it warns users about the risk before they install it on their   system

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/over vi ew/reliable/default.asp">  

Not having to reboot after installing an application....Unix from it's   beginings.  

How Much More Reliable Is Windows 2000 Professional?

 

Third-party studies that assess reliability from three different   perspectives-lab-based testing, customer-site measurement, and user   perceptions-conclude that Windows 2000 Professional is the most   reliable desktop operating system.

 

Highest Reliability in Production Environments

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/reviews/nstl.a sp ">NSTL   collected uptime data in the real-world environment of several customer   sites and concluded that the average system uptime between failures of   Windows 2000 Professional is 13 times more than that of   Windows 98 and three times more than that of   Windows NT Workstation 4.0.

 

Notice no comparison to Unix. It's like people that hangout with socially   unacceptable people to make themselves look better (Hey! Wait a minute! Is   that why alot of people want to hang out with me? ). I guess you're right they   aren't the same. Unix posts much higher numbers.  

Sorry, it's sarcastic Thursdsay here. I love the debate about Windows and   Unix. ;o)  

  Kevin Kostyszyn <kevin@dulcian.com> wrote:
 


   
   
I     would disagree with that, how is Windows becoming like     Unix?

   

     
     


The same prediction was made at least 5 years ago. At the rate       Microsoft is going, Windows will be a direct form of Unix. It becomes more       like it with every release.
     

-Rocky
     

  "Mohan, Ross" <MohanR@STARS-SMI.com> wrote:      

     



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Yea, but......



       

Win2K Datacenter will just decimate Unix. I predict         that, in
5 years, there will be two or three         Unix vendors, fighting over
the 45% of the         market that DataCenter hasn't eaten.



       

-----Original Message-----
From:         Steve Orr [
mailto:sorr@arzoo.com]]]        
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:01 PM        
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L        
Subject: RE: OT_RE:_Réf._:_Re:_asyn_i/o_on_sun_        




       

Close. It's Dave Cutler. There's too much old         DOS/Windows backward
compatibility for         WinNT/2000 to achieve stability like VMS despite Cutler's        
leadership.



       

I knew VMS and you, Mr. NT, are no VMS!        



       

With apologies to Senator Bentsen,
        size=2>Steve Orr




       

-----Original Message-----
stephane
Sent: Thursday, February 01,         2001 9:22 AM&<
To: Multiple recipients of         list ORACLE-L




       

NT is based on VMS (talk about a real OS) and if         my
memory is good the guy's name is         Cutter.



       

Do I win a toaster ? a microwave oven ? a palm-pilot         ?



       

--- "Mohan, Ross" <MohanR@STARS-SMI.com> a         écrit : >
"...Standing,  corrected,         and sniggering....."
> Odd picture,         that......
>
        size=2>>
> Anyways, pop quiz:        
>
> On what OS kernel         technology is NT based?
>
        size=2>> Who was the original designer and what was his/her        
> first OS?
>        
>



       

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