The flaw with email communication is one's tendency to read in attitudes
that just weren't intended. You can't see the expression on their face and
you can't read their minds. I'm on Rachel's side and always will be because
I've had the pleasure of meeting her and have found her to be a wonderfully
nice and ingratiating personality. But no matter how nice someone is we all
have our moments and rough edges.
It's easier to be offended than to just forgive but life is a lot more fun
if we can learn to forgive and get on with it. Quoting Don Henley, "It's
time to get down to the heart of the matter and I think it's about
forgiveness, even if you don't love me anymore."
Graceful peace to you all and I beg your forgiveness for any past, present,
and future indiscretions,
Steve Orr
And I'm sorry if I sound "preachy" too. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Alex Hillman
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:27 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: general doubt
I do not object to mentioning of the delete key but I do not like and will
not tolerate the tone. I do not see Rachel as a such moral authority figure
for me to accept such tone (Maybe she is but I barely know her - I saw her
one time on IOUG conference and saw couple of her books). If instead of "I
remind you, the delete key is located on your keyboard and labelled as such"
she said something like "If you don't like the message use the delete key" I
wouldn't even reply.
Alex Hillman
-----Original Message-----
From: Winnie_Liu_at_infonet.com [mailto:Winnie_Liu_at_infonet.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:41 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: general doubt
I must say that I totally agree with Rachel. As a female, I found that the
email Alex send out to be very offensive. And I definitely don't appreciate
such comments on the list.
Every body entitled to speak whatever they want, subject to not physically
or emotionally harming the other person.
Like what Rachel said, DELETE keys are always there for you for one
purpose: to delete whatever you don't want to read!
Winnie
"Deshpande, Kirti" <kirti.deshpande_at_verizon.com>@fatcity.com on 01/03/2001
07:50:50 PM
Please respond to ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
cc:
Current Score:
Rachel : 14
Alex : 6
End of 1st Period !! This is getting very interesting at FatcityBowl...
Can we..can we just get along...
- Rodney King
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:carmichr_at_hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:51 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: general doubt
>
> From www.dictionary.com:
>
> insinuation: Something insinuated, especially an artfully indirect, often
> derogatory suggestion.
>
> insinuate: To introduce or insert (oneself) by subtle and artful means.
>
> Based on those definitions, I didn't insinuate anything. I was neither
> subtle nor indirect in calling you sexist.
>
> sexism: Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of
> social roles based on gender.
>
> Telling me that I am not your mother or wife is promoting stereotyping,
> since those are gender-based roles.
>
> I told you to use the delete key and not to insult me... no insinuation
> there. You might consider checking a dictionary before you use words when
> you are not sure of the definitions.
>
> Consider yourself permanently blocked -- and a complaint about your
> behavior
> has been lodged with the list owner.
>
>
> >From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: RE: general doubt
> >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:30:32 -0800
> >
> >Maybe it is enough. What is your next insinuation? Sexist - it is
> >hilarious.
> >You should have better arguments than that. And also you can delete my
> >messages - if you use MS Outlook you can even have a rule to delete them
> >immediately.
> >
> >Alex Hillman
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:46 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >Yes you are entitled to your view -- but when you add to the messages on
> a
> >topic then you add to the trash if you consider the topic itself to be
> >trash.
> >
> >As for not being your wife or mother -- no, thank goodness, I'm not in
> any
> >way or form related to you. And I find it insulting that you would say
> that
> >to me, since you would NOT say "you are not my father" to any man on
this
> >list. I find that a sexist remark and definitely "trashing" this list.
> >
> >As for being or not being a school teacher... whether or not I was is
> >irrelevant... but I consider THAT a compliment (although I can infer
that
> >you don't think it is). School teachers educate... and I think that
> >eradicating ignorance is a noble task.
> >
> > >From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: RE: general doubt
> > >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:10:42 -0800
> > >
> > >I think that as anybody else I am entitled to my point of view and can
> > >express it. This is definitely trashing and every day it becomes
worse.
>
> >In
> > >trashing I mean to diminish the value of this list. Also there were no
> > >indications in the subject showing me that I should delete the
message.
> > >Also
> > >I do not appreciate this "I remind you, the delete key is located on
> your
> > >keyboard and labelled as such". You are not my mother or wife or
school
> > >teacher (or maybe you are a school teacher - in former life?).
> > >
> > >Alex Hillman
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:26 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Alex,
> > >
> > >"trashing this list"? A bit harsh and definitely inaccurate.
> > >
> > >I remind you, the delete key is located on your keyboard and labelled
> as
> > >such. I suggest you use it instead of, to quote your own message,
> >"trashing
> > >this list".
> > >
> > >Rachel
>
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