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Yes, my friend in Oracle told me the same thing.
Oops! I guess I shouldn't have said that.
-----Original Message-----
From: Khedr, Waleed [mailto:Waleed.Khedr_at_FMR.COM]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:52 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: LGWR's Writing Habits
I'm glad you said this.
My point is there is no reason for someone to come and say my friend in
Oracle looked at the source code and told me this and that.
This opens many doors for troubles to the person and his friend.
Regards,
Waleed
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:36 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Releasing the source code is grounds for immediate dismissal from Oracle and
might in fact be grounds for legal action....
I don't think anyone wants to take that risk, and I certainly don't want to be the cause of such actions by asking someone to do it.
And Gaja didn't say he had access to the code, he said he had a friend who had access, so yes, he had to speculate before checking with his friend.
>From: "Khedr, Waleed" <Waleed.Khedr_at_FMR.COM>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: LGWR's Writing Habits
>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:56:18 -0800
>
>
>I do not understand if you have access to the source code then why do you
>have to speculate about LGWR behavior?
>
>Also it could be a good idea to ask your friend in Oracle to post some of
>the source code here in this list so that we can answer many of the
>questions we have.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:45 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>A couple of days ago I had posted a response to someone's query
>about copy latches and in that discussion I had mentioned that
>the 1/3 full event of the redo log buffer will really not 'kick
>in' unless log_buffer is set to at least 1Mb. I must confess
>that the number here is actually 3Mb and not 1Mb as posted
>before. I apologize for that typo.
>
>However, the fact remains that from Oracle8, LGWR will not be
>posted by the 1/3rd full event of the redo log buffer, unless
>there are at least 1 Mb worth of redo entries in the log_buffer.
>In my previous posting, I said that for this to occur the
>log_buffer should be sized at least 1 Mb, but that number is
>actually even higher - 3 Mb.
>
>And the rationale behind that stems from the events on which
>LGWR writes to disk. They are as follows:
>
>1) Every 3 secs (independent of DBWR, yes this has been proven
>to be true by testing and looking up the source code).
>2) On a Commit.
>3) When DBWR posts LGWR to write. (This is to make sure that the
>redo entires are written before 'dirty' blocks are written to
>disk).
>4) On checkpoints.
>5) When the log_buffer is 1/3rd full, but subject to the
>following formula MAX(1 Mb., log_buffer/3), i.e., at least 1 Mb
>of redo entries need to be there, for the 1/3 event to occur.
>
>Now let's think about this for a minute. Realistically the need
>for the 1/3rd full event is not that critical, as events 1-4
>will take care of getting the redo entries down to disk. And
>this in no way will cause more 'log buffer space' waits than
>what the system is already experiencing.
>
>To make doubly sure that I was not 'under the influence', I
>called a very good friend of mine at Oracle, and had him check
>the source code for 8.0.5, and he corroborated my claim. We are
>doing some further digging, to determine whether 'all' or 'one'
>of the redo copy latches are used to protect the buffer, while
>'flushing' the entire contents of the log_buffer. There are 2
>references to this (one mentioning 1 copy latch and the other
>mentioning all copy latches) and we will get to the bottom of
>that and I will then post our findings.
>
>End of technical stuff;
>
>********************************************************
>Begin non-technical stuff;
>
>When I originally posted that the 1/3rd full event has changed
>in functionality in Oracle8, it was termed as a 'ludicrous
>suggestion'. Now, that comment may have gone 'just a bit too
>far' to my personal comfort, as it was directed against me
>'point blank'. I just could not hit the 'delete key' on that
>one.
>
>In light of all the 'country of origin' and 'ethnic background'
>stuff that has gone through our list in the past couple of days,
>I humbly urge all of us to exercise some caution in our
>communications. This is an forum where we cannot guage the
>poster's feelings, hence we need to make sure that we are
>sensitive to the reader's feelings.
>
>While it is absolutely OK to question the contents of a posting,
>please do it in a manner that is 'amicable'. After all, we are
>human beings first, aside of our ethnic, cultural, religious and
>political backgrounds. Let's try to respect thatm core fact.
>
>When I met Jared approx. 3 years ago at an IOUG-A conference, we
>talked about creating an Oracle listserv to 'share relevant and
>accurate information'. I don't think Jared or any one of us,
>would want this to become 'electronic battleground' for food
>fights or to be a forum to 'force and assert one's technical or
>personal ego'.
>
>This list today has a few thousand individuals from all corners
>of the world, and all of us contribute to the best of our
>abilities. Let's continue the great technical content exchange
>that we have had and let's do that with 'respect for the
>reader'. Thanks for your patience, tolerance and technical
>prowess.
>
>End non-technical stuff;
>
>********************************************************
>
>Seasons Greetings,
>
>Gaja
>
>
>=====
>Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha
>Director, Storage Management Products, Quest Software Inc.
>Office : (972)-304-1170, E-mail : gaja_at_quest.com
>
>Author:Oracle Performance Tuning 101 by Osborne McGraw-Hill
>"Opinions and views expressed are my own and not of Quest"
>
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You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ------_=_NextPart_001_01C065FE.43B7C730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>RE: LGWR's Writing Habits</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Yes, my friend in Oracle told me the same thing. </FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Oops! I guess I shouldn't have said that. </FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Khedr, Waleed [<A HREF="mailto:Waleed.Khedr_at_FMR.COM">mailto:Waleed.Khedr_at_FMR.COM</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:52 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: LGWR's Writing Habits</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>I'm glad you said this.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>My point is there is no reason for someone to come and say my friend in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Oracle looked at the source code and told me this and that.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>This opens many doors for troubles to the person and his friend.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Regards,</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Waleed</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:36 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Releasing the source code is grounds for immediate dismissal from Oracle and</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>might in fact be grounds for legal action....</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>I don't think anyone wants to take that risk, and I certainly don't want to </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>be the cause of such actions by asking someone to do it.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>And Gaja didn't say he had access to the code, he said he had a friend who </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>had access, so yes, he had to speculate before checking with his friend.</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>>From: "Khedr, Waleed" <Waleed.Khedr_at_FMR.COM></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Subject: RE: LGWR's Writing Habits</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:56:18 -0800</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>I do not understand if you have access to the source code then why do you</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>have to speculate about LGWR behavior?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Also it could be a good idea to ask your friend in Oracle to post some of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>the source code here in this list so that we can answer many of the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>questions we have.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:45 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Hello everyone,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>A couple of days ago I had posted a response to someone's query</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>about copy latches and in that discussion I had mentioned that</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>the 1/3 full event of the redo log buffer will really not 'kick</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>in' unless log_buffer is set to at least 1Mb. I must confess</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>that the number here is actually 3Mb and not 1Mb as posted</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>before. I apologize for that typo.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>However, the fact remains that from Oracle8, LGWR will not be</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>posted by the 1/3rd full event of the redo log buffer, unless</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>there are at least 1 Mb worth of redo entries in the log_buffer.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>In my previous posting, I said that for this to occur the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>log_buffer should be sized at least 1 Mb, but that number is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>actually even higher - 3 Mb.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>And the rationale behind that stems from the events on which</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>LGWR writes to disk. They are as follows:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>1) Every 3 secs (independent of DBWR, yes this has been proven</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>to be true by testing and looking up the source code).</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>2) On a Commit.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>3) When DBWR posts LGWR to write. (This is to make sure that the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>redo entires are written before 'dirty' blocks are written to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>disk).</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>4) On checkpoints.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>5) When the log_buffer is 1/3rd full, but subject to the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>following formula MAX(1 Mb., log_buffer/3), i.e., at least 1 Mb</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>of redo entries need to be there, for the 1/3 event to occur.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Now let's think about this for a minute. Realistically the need</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>for the 1/3rd full event is not that critical, as events 1-4</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>will take care of getting the redo entries down to disk. And</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>this in no way will cause more 'log buffer space' waits than</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>what the system is already experiencing.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>To make doubly sure that I was not 'under the influence', I</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>called a very good friend of mine at Oracle, and had him check</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>the source code for 8.0.5, and he corroborated my claim. We are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>doing some further digging, to determine whether 'all' or 'one'</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>of the redo copy latches are used to protect the buffer, while</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>'flushing' the entire contents of the log_buffer. There are 2</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>references to this (one mentioning 1 copy latch and the other</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>mentioning all copy latches) and we will get to the bottom of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>that and I will then post our findings.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>End of technical stuff;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>********************************************************</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Begin non-technical stuff;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>When I originally posted that the 1/3rd full event has changed</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>in functionality in Oracle8, it was termed as a 'ludicrous</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>suggestion'. Now, that comment may have gone 'just a bit too</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>far' to my personal comfort, as it was directed against me</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>'point blank'. I just could not hit the 'delete key' on that</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>one.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>In light of all the 'country of origin' and 'ethnic background'</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>stuff that has gone through our list in the past couple of days,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>I humbly urge all of us to exercise some caution in our</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>communications. This is an forum where we cannot guage the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>poster's feelings, hence we need to make sure that we are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>sensitive to the reader's feelings.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>While it is absolutely OK to question the contents of a posting,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>please do it in a manner that is 'amicable'. After all, we are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>human beings first, aside of our ethnic, cultural, religious and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>political backgrounds. Let's try to respect thatm core fact.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>When I met Jared approx. 3 years ago at an IOUG-A conference, we</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>talked about creating an Oracle listserv to 'share relevant and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>accurate information'. I don't think Jared or any one of us,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>would want this to become 'electronic battleground' for food</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>fights or to be a forum to 'force and assert one's technical or</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>personal ego'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>This list today has a few thousand individuals from all corners</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>of the world, and all of us contribute to the best of our</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>abilities. Let's continue the great technical content exchange</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>that we have had and let's do that with 'respect for the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>reader'. Thanks for your patience, tolerance and technical</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>prowess.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>End non-technical stuff;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>********************************************************</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Seasons Greetings,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Gaja</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>=====</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Director, Storage Management Products, Quest Software Inc.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Office : (972)-304-1170, E-mail : gaja_at_quest.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Author:Oracle Performance Tuning 101 by Osborne McGraw-Hill</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>"Opinions and views expressed are my own and not of Quest"</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>__________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Do You Yahoo!?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>http://shopping.yahoo.com/</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>--</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>--</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Author: Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> INET: gajav_at_yahoo.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>--------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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