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RE: X$Tables Info : Attention - Jared

From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:27:33 -0500
Message-Id: <10708.124325@fatcity.com>


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 I think that I need to apologize for such generalizing - maybe bad day in the office. This was really this specific person asking specific and not of course all Indian DBAs.

Alex Hillman

-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Carmichael
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 12/11/00 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: X$Tables Info : Attention - Jared

John,

Thank you -- you said it much better than I did.

And I have known DBAs from many countries.... no one country holds ownership
of "most stupid DBAs" or "most brilliant DBAs". There are good and bad everywhere.

Rachel

>From: John Kanagaraj <JKanagaraj_at_mfi.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: Re: X$Tables Info : Attention - Jared
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:11:16 -0800
>
>Alex,
>
>Alex Hillman wrote:
> >
> > I think we need to charge people (maybe $1) for such questions.
Jared
> > wouldn't have to work anymore because India is a very big country
and
> > produce tremendous number of people who work with Oracle not knowing
> > anything about it and also cannot or do not want to read books and
> > docs.
>
>1. This list is for free - *you* can _choose_ to participate or not,
and
>choose whether you want to ask/answer questions. There have been so
many
>threads of late in this list that denigrate new DBAs and DBA
wanna-be's,
>and that's sad.... If you don't want to answer or don't have the time,
>use the DEL key. This has been stated soooo many times that it should
>have gotten through to anyone who has been on this list even for a
short
>while.
>
>2. I didn't know that anyone was keeping track of who is from where, or
>wants to keep track of such things. That remark and reference to my
>country of origin was rude and uncalled for. I wouldn't expect a
>long-time member of this list such as yourself - who has otherwise been
>helpful to all members, regardless of country of origin - to say such a
>thing. I only hope that this was a temporary aberration and leave it
>there.
>
>As a side note, the question was about the X$ tables which are NOT
>documented publicly by Oracle, and IMHO was a valid question that could
>not be RTFMed (at least from the manuals).
>
>Jared - Of late, this list seems to demonstrate a lot of intolerance.
>Could I request you, as the list owner, to remind us all once again why
>we are part of this great list?
>
>--
>John Kanagaraj
>http://www.geocities.com/john_sharmila
>
>Disclaimer : The opinions expressed above are my own and do
>not reflect those of MFI or its associates
>--
>Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
>--
>Author: John Kanagaraj
> INET: JKanagaraj_at_mfi.com
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;I think that I need to apologize for such =
generalizing - maybe bad day in the office. This was really this =
specific person asking specific and not of course all Indian DBAs. =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Alex Hillman</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Rachel Carmichael</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: 12/11/00 7:46 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: X$Tables Info : Attention - =
Jared</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thank you -- you said it much better than I =
did.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>And I have known DBAs from many countries.... no one =
country holds</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ownership </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of &quot;most stupid DBAs&quot; or &quot;most =
brilliant DBAs&quot;. There are good and bad </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>everywhere.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Rachel</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;From: John Kanagaraj =
&lt;JKanagaraj_at_mfi.com&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L =
&lt;ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Subject: Re: X$Tables Info : Attention - =
Jared</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:11:16 -0800</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Alex,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Alex Hillman wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; I think we need to charge people (maybe =
$1) for such questions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jared</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; wouldn't have to work anymore because =
India is a very big country</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; produce tremendous number of people who =
work with Oracle not knowing</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; anything about it and also cannot or do =
not want to read books and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; docs.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1. This list is for free - *you* can _choose_ to =
participate or not,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;choose whether you want to ask/answer questions. =
There have been so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>many</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;threads of late in this list that denigrate new =
DBAs and DBA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>wanna-be's,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;and that's sad.... If you don't want to answer =
or don't have the time,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;use the DEL key. This has been stated soooo many =
times that it should</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;have gotten through to anyone who has been on =
this list even for a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>short</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;while.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;2. I didn't know that anyone was keeping track =
of who is from where, or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;wants to keep track of such things. That remark =
and reference to my</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;country of origin was rude and uncalled for. I =
wouldn't expect a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;long-time member of this list such as yourself - =
who has otherwise been</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;helpful to all members, regardless of country of =
origin - to say such a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;thing. I only hope that this was a temporary =
aberration and leave it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;there.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;As a side note, the question was about the X$ =
tables which are NOT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;documented publicly by Oracle, and IMHO was a =
valid question that could</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;not be RTFMed (at least from the =
manuals).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Jared - Of late, this list seems to demonstrate =
a lot of intolerance.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Could I request you, as the list owner, to =
remind us all once again why</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;we are part of this great list?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;--</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;John Kanagaraj</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/john_sharmila" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.geocities.com/john_sharmila</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Disclaimer : The opinions expressed above are my =
own and do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;not reflect those of MFI or its =
associates</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;--</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.orafaq.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.orafaq.com</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;--</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Author: John Kanagaraj</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; INET: JKanagaraj_at_mfi.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
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