RE: FreeOCP

From: Reza Oskouie <reza.oskouie_at_digital-dispatch.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:43:40 -0000
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Hi Guys
Well something off-topic of this list.
The way I looked at OCP and did it was that it gives you a good reason to do some reading and get to know some of the Oracle features that you do not have much chance to use in your day to day job.

It did a lot good to me and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to have some of the old days exams excitements back! I don't think OCP wants to prove who is better than who, but who has some eagerness to do or to know a bit more than required. It can only be a positive point the rest should be proven in action and under pressure. have a Good Christmas you all
Regards
Reza

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffery Stevenson [SMTP:jeff_at_mpv.com]
> Sent: 05 December 2000 14:41
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: FreeOCP
>
> Every person should be judged on their own individual merits...a veteran
> DBA without OCP might have a box at home (or at work) where they take the
> latest and greatest and play with all the new features to figure out how
> they work and see what kind of advantages they bring. You could have a
> DBA
> with lots of years of experience recorded and an OCP that has just been
> soaking up money in a big contract for a consulting firm somewhere (and
> not
> really doing much), but they've had lots of time to take the tests (until
> they passed them all). There are too many variables in this world to
> judge
> a situation without getting all of the details...keeping that in mind, I
> cannot agree with your viewpoint that an OCP DBA with experience is going
> to
> be better than any other DBA--every situation is different. When
> interviewing other DBAs, I might make initial judgements after reviewing
> their resume, but (unless that resume is really, really bad) I won't rule
> them out until I've had a chance to talk with them. The DBA market is a
> tight market, why rule out any potentially good employee/help based on
> years
> of experience or a piece of paper? None of that can tell me exactly what
> kind of heart, will, intelligence, common sense, personality, or learning
> ability a person has. OCP and years of experience have definite merits
> when
> trying to get HR's attention and jacking prices in contracts, but if the
> person behind all that isn't really that good...
>
> Sorry about the rant, but I just couldn't sit back and listen to all
> this
> without saying something...
>
> Jeffery Stevenson
> Chief Databeast Tamer
> Medical Present Value, Inc.
> Austin, TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:51 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Hi friends!
> There is a lots of talk about Paper DBAs on this message board. With due
> respect to all the veteran DBAs without OCP and new DBAs with OCP, I would
> like to make few comments from my own personal experience (spanning 9
> years+
> in USA, Europe and India)
>
> I have come across lots of long time DBAs with no OCP, who frown on OCP
> DBAs. Working closely with them, I noticed that these longs really count
> the
> hours to bill the clients. To my dismay, I came across 10+ years Oracle
> DBAs
> who had no clue about OPS, Partitioning, Snapshots, Stand by etc... They
> have gained experience over the years only because the client could not
> find
> a better alternative.
>
> At the same time, in the interviews and at work, I come across lots of
> new
> OCP DBAs who can do the job, but need lots support and help from the other
> DBAs. (It is sort of baby sitting).
>
> I was a DBA without OCP for long time and I had no problem in finding
> jobs
> without OCP. After I started preparing for OCP, I came to know of so many
> things that I did not know before. In my humble opinion, any OCP DBA with
> experience is lot better than a OCP DBA without experience or an
> experienced
> DBA without OCP.
>
> OCP helped me as a DBA to understand things that I did not know before.
> It
> took lots of time, confidence and enthusiasm to be a OCP DBA and change my
> self in the process.
>
> Without OCP, I would have been a Pumpkin DBA, doing clueless things in a
> random and unilateral way. Let's face it... OCP or No OCP is a matter of
> choice. But it helps to be OCP than be left-out and looking at SOUR
> GRAPES!!!
>
> Rama
> OCP DBA with experience!
>
>
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Hi Guys Well something = off-topic of this list.
 The way I looked at = OCP and did it was that it gives you a good reason to do some reading = and get to know some of the Oracle features that you do not have much = chance to use in your day to day job.

It did a lot good to = me and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to have some of the old = days exams excitements back!

I don't think OCP = wants to prove who is better than who, but who has some eagerness to do = or to know a bit more than required. It can only be a positive point = the rest should be proven in action and under pressure.

have a Good = Christmas you all

<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Regards</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reza</FONT>
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SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Jeffery Stevenson [SMTP:jeff_at_mpv.com] Sent:   05 December 2000 14:41 To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:       = RE: FreeOCP

Every person should be judged = on their own individual merits...a veteran DBA without OCP might have a box at = home (or at work) where they take the latest and greatest and play with all = the new features to figure out how they work and see what kind of = advantages they bring.  You could have a DBA with lots of years of experience = recorded and an OCP that has just been soaking up money in a big contract = for a consulting firm somewhere (and not really doing much), but they've had = lots of time to take the tests (until they passed them all).  There = are too many variables in this world to judge a situation without getting all of = the details...keeping that in mind, I cannot agree with your viewpoint that = an OCP DBA with experience is going to be better than any other DBA--every = situation is different.  When interviewing other DBAs, I might make = initial judgements after reviewing their resume, but (unless that resume = is really, really bad) I won't rule them out until I've had a chance to = talk with them.  The DBA market is a tight market, why rule out any = potentially good employee/help based on years of experience or a piece of = paper?  None of that can tell me exactly what kind of heart, will, intelligence, = common sense, personality, or learning ability a person has.  OCP and = years of experience have definite merits when trying to get HR's attention and = jacking prices in contracts, but if the person behind all that isn't really = that good...

Sorry about the rant, but I = just couldn't sit back and listen to all this without saying something...

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Jeffery Stevenson</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Chief Databeast Tamer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Medical Present Value, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Austin, TX</FONT>
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-----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:51 = PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L

Hi friends!  There is a lots of talk about = Paper DBAs on this message board. With due respect to all the veteran DBAs = without OCP and new DBAs with OCP, I would like to make few comments from my own = personal experience (spanning 9 years+ in USA, Europe and India)

I have come across lots of long = time DBAs with no OCP, who frown on OCP DBAs. Working closely with them, I = noticed that these longs really count the hours to bill the clients. To my = dismay, I came across 10+ years Oracle DBAs who had no clue about OPS, = Partitioning, Snapshots, Stand by etc... They have gained experience over the years = only because the client could not find a better alternative.

At the same time, in the = interviews and at work, I come across lots of new OCP DBAs who can do the job, but need = lots support and help from the other DBAs. (It is sort of baby = sitting).

I was a DBA without OCP for long = time and I had no problem in finding jobs without OCP. After I started = preparing for OCP, I came to know of so many things that I did not know before. In = my humble opinion, any OCP DBA with experience is lot better than a OCP = DBA without experience or an experienced DBA without OCP.

OCP helped me as a DBA to = understand things that I did not know before. It took lots of time, confidence and = enthusiasm to be a OCP DBA and change my self in the process.

Without OCP, I would have been a = Pumpkin DBA, doing clueless things in a random and unilateral way. Let's face = it... OCP or No OCP is a matter of choice. But it helps to be OCP than = be left-out and looking at SOUR
 GRAPES!!!

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Rama</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">OCP DBA with experience!</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

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Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: = <A HREF=3D"http://www.orafaq.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.orafaq.com</A>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Author: Rama Malladi</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp; INET: =

rmalladi_at_inteliant.com

Fat City Network = Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) = 538-5051
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