RE: (Fwd) Re: [WINNT-L] piped file compression (eg, database

From: Mohan, Ross <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:54:46 -0500
Message-Id: <10695.123257@fatcity.com>

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Ross,

I'm no expert, but I would seriously doubt that the DOS "|" command has all the functionality of Unix-Pipes.

|| Yes, I agree. But, then again, there's only so

much functionality you can stuff into a little pipe in *any* OS, anyways!

Anyway, why wouldn't just writing (directing) into the NTFS/compressed file work?

|| That is actually what i came to understand as the solution.

Have you looked the dreaded VBS facilities?

|| No sir, not yet.....i am not a good programmer type.

They are supposedly fairly powerful (not just for writing viri). You might find some useful stuff at www.microsoft.com about it.

|| Hmm...thanks. I have spent some fruitful time at research.microsoft.com

(*warning* *warning* *warning*
reading material at microsoft's web site may endanger your mental health)

|| Well...to use a bit of API jargon, they "expose" a LOT more than, for example, Oracle does about products, tuning, configuration, etc. I am, after years of being a "hater" (gotta love that word) now an OS/Vendor Agnostic.

|| thanks for the time you spent putting this post together, Eric.

You might be able to find out more about Windows ports of Unix utilities at one of these:

(Oracle/NT)

http://www.ipass.net/~davesisk/oont.htm
-

http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/
-

http://www.orafaq.com/faqwinnt.htm
-

(General Windows server info:)

***ULTIMATE NT INFO*** http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView.asp?File=/Personal/Fi les/Unix.TXT
-

http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView.asp?File=/Personal/Fi les/Utils.TXT
-

http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Files/?File=ResKit.TXT
-

http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView.asp?File=/Personal/Fi les/Scripting.TXT

*end*

-

http://arstechnica.com/tweak/nt/disable_subsys-1.html

(a specific discussion of POSIX/Unix issues in NT!!!, contains a reference to Unix utilites in the *NT Server Resource Kit*)

(*warning* *warning* *warning*
reading material at microsoft's web site may endanger your mental health)

www.microsoft.com - NT Server Resource Kit

PR cr*p:
http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/1996/Oct96/NT40RKPR.asp
-

Some REAL info!!!:
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/winnt/
-

(old?: http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?title=580&subid=22&pg=1 )

http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=1572313447&vm=

excerpt:
MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT SERVER RESOURCE GUIDE ...
Part II: Reliability and Recoverability

    Chapter 3: Disk Management Basics ..... 65
    Chapter 4: Planning a Reliable Configuration ..... 127
    Chapter 5: Preparing for and Performing Recovery ..... 171
    Chapter 6: Troubleshooting Startup and Disk Problems ..... 237
    Chapter 7: Disk, File System, and Backup Utilities ..... 259

...

-

(Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Resource Kit Supplement 4) http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0735608377&vm=

-

Misc:
  http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/deployment/default.asp
-

  http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetails/default.asp
-

"Integration" stuff:
  http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetails/overview/WpGlobal.asp
-

"Unix Interoperability" stuff:

http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ntserverenterprise/techdetails/compares/Wi nNTfromUNIX.asp
-

Windows NT Services for UNIX Add-On Pack (probably not useful): http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetails/compares/sfuwp.asp
-

free download, but they don't tell you exactly what is in it: http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/downloads/recommended/ntkit/default.as p

(*warning* *warning* *warning*
reading material at microsoft's web site may endanger your mental health)

-

http://www.sysinternals.com/
-

http://www.winbatch.com/
-

http://www.swynk.com/
-

http://arstechnica.com/tweak/nt/index.html
-

http://www.winsite.com/winnt/
-

http://www.ntfaq.com/

http://www.windows-help.net/index.shtml
-

http://www.winmag.com/
-

http://www.wininformant.com/default.asp
-

http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/

unrelated (anatomy of MS' broken TCP/IP implementation): http://www.labmed.umn.edu/~john/netbios.html

regards,
ep

(cc: WINNT-L_at_PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM )

(unrelated topic, for people dealing with job hunts: http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00520000801ggp01.htm "Are Oracle DBAs worth special treatment?")

On 29 Nov 2000, at 8:41, Mohan, Ross wrote:

Date sent:      	Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:41:17 -0800
To:             	Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
From:           	"Mohan, Ross" <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com>
Subject:        	RE: (Fwd) Re:      [WINNT-L] piped file compression

(eg, database

> This is all great, but where is the PIPE utility?
> 
> Do I need to buy UNIX to get PIPES?

...
>> You may wish to look at the "compress" option that is available for any file
>> or folder on an NTFS volume. Additionally, there are various NT ports to be
>> found on the Internet of the *nix commands such as tar and gzip that could
>> be used in the same fashion that they're used on a Unix machine, though many
>> of them aren't nearly as fast as their native Unix counterparts.

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Ross,

I'm no expert, but I would seriously doubt that the = DOS 
 "|" command has all the functionality of = Unix-Pipes.

||  Yes, I agree. But, then again, there's only = so
     much functionality you can stuff = into a little
     pipe in *any* OS, anyways!

Anyway, why wouldn't just writing (directing) into = the
 NTFS/compressed file work?

||  That is actually what i came to understand = as the solution.

Have you looked the dreaded VBS facilities?

||  No sir, not yet.....i am not a good = programmer type.

They are supposedly fairly powerful (not just for = writing viri). You might find some useful stuff at www.microsoft.com = about it.

||  Hmm...thanks.  I have spent some = fruitful time at
 research.microsoft.com

(*warning* *warning* *warning* reading material at microsoft's web site may = endanger your mental health)

|| Well...to use a bit of API jargon, they = "expose" a LOT
 more than, for example, Oracle does about products, = tuning, 
 configuration, etc. I am, after years of being a = "hater"

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(gotta love that word) now an OS/Vendor Agnostic. =
</FONT>
</P>

||  thanks for the time you spent putting this = post 
 together, Eric.

You might be able to find out more about Windows = ports of
 Unix utilities at one of these:

(Oracle/NT)

<A HREF=3D"http://www.ipass.net/~davesisk/oont.htm" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.ipass.net/~davesisk/oont.htm</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.orafaq.com/faqwinnt.htm" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.orafaq.com/faqwinnt.htm</A> -

(General Windows server info:)

***ULTIMATE NT INFO***

<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView.asp?File=3D= /Personal/Files/Unix.TXT" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView= .asp?File=3D/Personal/Files/Unix.TXT</A> -
 <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView.asp?File=3D= /Personal/Files/Utils.TXT" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView= .asp?File=3D/Personal/Files/Utils.TXT</A> -
 <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Files/?File=3DResKit.TXT" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Files/?File=3DRe=

sKit.TXT</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =

HREF=3D"http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView.asp?File=3D= /Personal/Files/Scripting.TXT" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Scripts/FileView= .asp?File=3D/Personal/Files/Scripting.TXT</A>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>*end*</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

-
 <A =
HREF=3D"http://arstechnica.com/tweak/nt/disable_subsys-1.html" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://arstechnica.com/tweak/nt/disable_subsys-1.html<= /A>

(a specific discussion of POSIX/Unix issues in = NT!!!,

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; contains a reference to Unix utilites in the =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; *NT Server Resource Kit*)</FONT>
</P>

(*warning* *warning* *warning* reading material at microsoft's web site may = endanger your mental health)

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;www.microsoft.com - NT Server Resource Kit =
</FONT>
</P>

PR cr*p:
   <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/1996/Oct96/NT40RKPR.asp= " =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/1996/Oct96/NT= 40RKPR.asp</A>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Some REAL info!!!: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; <A =

HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/winnt/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/winnt/</A> -
 (old?: <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?title=3D580&subid=3D= 22&pg=3D1" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?title=3D5= 80&subid=3D22&pg=3D1</A> )

<A =
HREF=3D"http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=3D157= 2313447&vm=3D" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?the= isbn=3D1572313447&vm=3D</A>

excerpt:
   MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT SERVER RESOURCE = GUIDE
 ...
   Part II: Reliability and = Recoverability
     Chapter 3: Disk Management Basics = ..... 65
     Chapter 4: Planning a Reliable = Configuration ..... 127
     Chapter 5: Preparing for and = Performing Recovery ..... 171
     Chapter 6: Troubleshooting = Startup and Disk Problems ..... 237     Chapter 7: Disk, File System, and = Backup Utilities ..... 259
 ...

- 
 (Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Resource Kit = Supplement 4)
   <A =
HREF=3D"http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=3D073= 5608377&vm=3D" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?the= isbn=3D0735608377&vm=3D</A>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Misc: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; <A =

HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/deployment/default.asp" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/deployment/defau= lt.asp</A> 
 - 
   <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetails/default.asp" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetails/defa= ult.asp</A>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Integration&quot; stuff: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; <A =

HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetails/overview/WpGlo= bal.asp" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetails/over= view/WpGlobal.asp</A>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Unix Interoperability&quot; stuff: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; <A =

HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ntserverenterprise/techdetails= /compares/WinNTfromUNIX.asp" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ntserverenterprise/t= echdetails/compares/WinNTfromUNIX.asp</A> -
 Windows NT Services for UNIX Add-On Pack (probably = not useful): 
   <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetails/compares/sfuwp= .asp" TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/techdetai= ls/compares/sfuwp.asp</A> 
 -
 free download, but they don't tell you exactly what = is in it:
 <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/downloads/recommended/ntki= t/default.asp" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/downloads/recomm= ended/ntkit/default.asp</A>

(*warning* *warning* *warning* reading material at microsoft's web site may = endanger your mental health)

-
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.sysinternals.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.sysinternals.com/</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.winbatch.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.winbatch.com/</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.swynk.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.swynk.com/</A> -
 <A =
HREF=3D"http://arstechnica.com/tweak/nt/index.html" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://arstechnica.com/tweak/nt/index.html</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.winsite.com/winnt/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.winsite.com/winnt/</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.ntfaq.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.ntfaq.com/</A>

</P>
<BR>
<BR>

<A HREF=3D"http://www.windows-help.net/index.shtml" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.windows-help.net/index.shtml</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.winmag.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.winmag.com/</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://www.wininformant.com/default.asp" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.wininformant.com/default.asp</A> -
 <A HREF=3D"http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/</A>

unrelated (anatomy of MS' broken TCP/IP = implementation): 
   <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.labmed.umn.edu/~john/netbios.html" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.labmed.umn.edu/~john/netbios.html</A> =

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ep</FONT>
</P>

(cc: WINNT-L_at_PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM )

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(unrelated topic, for people dealing with job hunts: =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =

HREF=3D"http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=3Dr00520000801ggp01= .htm" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=3Dr005200= 00801ggp01.htm</A> 
 "Are Oracle DBAs worth special = treatment?")

On 29 Nov 2000, at 8:41, Mohan, Ross wrote:

Date sent:      =         Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:41:17 =
-0800

 To:          =            Multiple = recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> From:         &nbs= p;         "Mohan, Ross" = <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com>
 Subject:        =         RE: (Fwd) = Re:      [WINNT-L] piped file compression (eg, = database

> This is all great, but where is the PIPE = utility?

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Do I need to buy UNIX to get PIPES?</FONT>
</P>

... 
 >> You may wish to look at the = "compress" option that is available for any file Received on Wed Nov 29 2000 - 15:54:46 CST