| Oracle FAQ | Your Portal to the Oracle Knowledge Grid | |
 |
 | |||
| Oracle FAQ | Your Portal to the Oracle Knowledge Grid | |
|
| |||
Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> RE: Application server
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C05012.C7BF46F0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
So odd...I have always referred to VMS as "DOS on steroids"...
-----Original Message-----
From: Jared Still [mailto:jkstill_at_bcbso.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:26 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Application server
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Eric D. Pierce wrote:
> NT's architecture (which some claim is VMS running on Intel) > is based on being an application server as well as file/print > server.
There's good reason for claiming that.
Dave Cutler is the fellow responsible for the design of VMS, a venerated OS. Those that use it, love it. Those that don't use it, are confused. I count myself among that group.
Mr. Cutler was designing a new OS for DEC. The internal name for it was 'Pink'.
DEC cancelled Pink after quite a bit of time, effort and money had been put into it.
Mr. Cutler was quite peeved at this, as you might well imagine.
At one board meeting, he appeared in something less than the traditional apparel one might expect at an assemblage of executives in Boston in the 80's. His T-shirt with the image of a large wood screw on the front accurately conveyed his feelings on the matter.
At this point, he was an easy target for master manipulator William Gates III.
Dave was the chief architect for the original version of Windows NT. I don't know if he is still involved in that.
He was not given free reign however. NT would still have artifacts of DOS and 16 bit computing.
I stated earlier that I was confused on this matter. The reason for this is that users of VMS love the OS. If the same designer was responsible for NT, why do so many people that are familiar with it hate it?
I really should not be confused, as NT was not going to be allowed to stray too far from Windows and DOS, and was not going to garner the same accolades that VMS received.
This is all just a long-winded way of saying why I think folks may refer to NT as 'VMS for Intel'.
And if any of this story is incorrect, don't hesitate to correct me. It's been a few years since this stuff happened, and my memory may be selective. :)
Jared
-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: jkstill_at_bcbso.com Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05012.C7BF46F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"Received on Thu Nov 16 2000 - 15:16:21 CST
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12">
<TITLE>RE: Application server</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>So odd...I have always referred to VMS as "DOS on steroids"...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Jared Still [<A HREF="mailto:jkstill_at_bcbso.com">mailto:jkstill_at_bcbso.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:26 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: Application server</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Eric D. Pierce wrote:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>> NT's architecture (which some claim is VMS running on Intel)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> is based on being an application server as well as file/print</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> server.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>There's good reason for claiming that.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Dave Cutler is the fellow responsible for the design of VMS,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>a venerated OS. Those that use it, love it. Those that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>don't use it, are confused. I count myself among that group.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Mr. Cutler was designing a new OS for DEC. The internal</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>name for it was 'Pink'. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>DEC cancelled Pink after quite a bit of time, effort and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>money had been put into it.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Mr. Cutler was quite peeved at this, as you might well imagine.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>At one board meeting, he appeared in something less than </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the traditional apparel one might expect at an assemblage</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>of executives in Boston in the 80's. His T-shirt with the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>image of a large wood screw on the front accurately conveyed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>his feelings on the matter.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>At this point, he was an easy target for master manipulator</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>William Gates III.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Dave was the chief architect for the original version of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Windows NT. I don't know if he is still involved in that.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>He was not given free reign however. NT would still have </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>artifacts of DOS and 16 bit computing. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>I stated earlier that I was confused on this matter. The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>reason for this is that users of VMS love the OS. If the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>same designer was responsible for NT, why do so many people</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that are familiar with it hate it?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>I really should not be confused, as NT was not going to be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>allowed to stray too far from Windows and DOS, and was not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>going to garner the same accolades that VMS received.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>This is all just a long-winded way of saying why I think</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>folks may refer to NT as 'VMS for Intel'.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>And if any of this story is incorrect, don't hesitate to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>correct me. It's been a few years since this stuff happened,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and my memory may be selective. :)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Jared</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Author: Jared Still</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> INET: jkstill_at_bcbso.com</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>--------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may</FONT>
 |
 |