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I don't mind Metalink either, when it works properly. I tend to get a quick response and I like the fact that I'm entering the information. I've noticed that when I call and the analyst enters information for me, they usually miss some key points.
The search facility is handy too. Lots of information if you take the time to pick through the hit list. Unfortunately, sometimes it is also contradictory, but I've learned to sift.
I also find the Product Lifecycle portion very useful.
Oracle technet is handy. Whenever some one asks me for Oracle documentation I give them the otn address http://otn.oracle.com.
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric D. Pierce [mailto:PierceED_at_csus.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:41 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: How to deal with the giant Oracle
My peripheral vision is getting worse with age, especially when moving at high speed, but didn't Oracle just come out with a huge marketing effort stating that Oracle saved $1billion/year by changing over to eCommerce using its own software/solutions? How is Oracle going to successfully market its software/solutions to the corporate world unless it makes its existing customers "eat the dog food" first? :)
Anyway, I hate to say it, but Metalink can actually be better than talking to tech support people sometimes. Just takes some getting used to.
regards,
ep
On 16 Nov 2000, at 12:42, Wang, Linda wrote:
Date sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:42:02 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> There have been several experiences that it is very difficult to have > the giant Oracle corporation pay attention to the small company's DBAs. > > Oracle case 1: > Recently, Oracle has changed the Technical support service policy to > let only non-technical personnel pick up the phones.
...
background on cultural transformation and social change issues:
http://www.tikkun.org/nader_interview.htm
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http://www.spiritmatters.net
-
Here's some of what the most thoughtful people are saying about SPIRIT MATTERS by Michael Lerner:
Two Perfect Holiday Gifts--Every serious thinker, every cynical person (including the cynical media), every elected official, every healer, every
teacher, everyone hoping for social change or inner healing should read this book! Help them--get them a copy.
The New York Times
If you are concerned about your health, the health of society and of the planet, read this book. Rabbi Lerner's "emancipatory spirituality" is just the right medicine for many of the ills of modern life.
Andrew Weil, M.D.
Author of Spontaneous Healing
This book is a miracle and a treasure. Please read it! It's a miracle because it can open the heart of the most cynical person who denies spirit
and thinks its all New Agey flakinesss. And at the same time it deepens the
understanding and spiritual depth of those of us who have thought we already read all the books on spirituality we need and have already been involved in our own spiritual practice.
Michael Lerner is a gifted spiritual teacher and a
prophetic moral visionary--and these come together to produce a
manifesto
for spiritual transformation and a book that will change your own personal
life as well. If there's one spiritual book you must read and then share with friends, this is it.
--Marianne Williamson, author of The Healing of America and A Return to Love,
Profound and compelling, engaging and highly readable--it is a passionate and sophisticated analysis which provides a powerful antidote
to a world tranquilized with trivia and adrift in drivel. Read it for your
own soul, and for the soul of the world as well.
--Ken Wilber is author of
A Brief History of Everything and Integral Psychology
Michael Lerner's exciting project of Emancipatory Spirituality--visionary
in character and practical in content--is a prophetic siren call to all of
us that progressive poltiics must be infused with deep meaning, sustaining
community and gut-bucket intimacy. Read this book and heed this call!
--Cornel West is professor of African American Studies and of Divinity at Harvard University and author of Race Matters.
...
Michael Lerner is one of America's most important spiritual teachers, a contemporary prophet whose insightful and visionary thinking has already had a profound impact on American culture and thought.
Lerner's Spirit Matters will help progressive politics get over
its fear of things religious and spiritual, new age enthusiasts to look beyond themselves to community, and conservative religion to value compassion and inclusion over fear and intolerance. Rabbi Lerner is a rare
and eloquent voice in combining matters of the spirit with matters of justice.
Jim Wallis is Editor-in-Chief of Sojourners, the magazine of Christian Evangelicals, and author of Faith Works
...
Spirit Matters is an essential spiritual guide for the mindful progressive
activist.
Michael Lerner challenges us to let down our cynical guard and contemplate
radical new ways of educating our children, providing health care for all,
reorienting our legal system and promoting corporate responsibility. But Lerner breaks out of the narrow economistic vision, insisting that a commitment to social justice be grounded in spiritual consciousness. Spirit
Matters is certainly a provocative and visionary call to replace corporate
globalization with globalization of the spirit.
Medea Benjamin, Founding Director, Global Exchange and Green Party of California candidate for U.S. Senate
I loved this book, both as a corrective to the old left-right distinctions,
and to the narcissism of spiritual searching that begins and ends with one's
self. Michael Lerner compellingly calls on us to transform ourselves and at
the same time become engaged in the painstaking work of social transformation.
Arianna Huffington
Syndicated columnist
How to Overthrow the Government
...
"Spirit Matters is full of the widsom and compassion needed to heal our planet."
--Michael Murphy, chairman, Esalen Institute author of Golf and the Kingdom
"Michael Lerner brilliantly and beautifully defines how spirituality can infuse our efforts to create a world marked by social justice and personal
ecstacy. For thsoe of us who have experienced "burnout" in our strivings
for social change, this book is great medicine."
--Rev. Tony Campolo is a leader of the Christian Evangelical :"Call to Renewal" and professor of sociology at Eastern College
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I don't mind Metalink either, when it works properly. =
I tend to get a quick response and I like the fact that I'm entering = the information. I've noticed that when I call and the analyst = enters information for me, they usually miss some key = points.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The search facility is handy too. Lots of =
information if you take the time to pick through the hit list. = Unfortunately, sometimes it is also contradictory, but I've learned to = sift.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I also find the Product Lifecycle portion very =
useful.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Oracle technet is handy. Whenever some one asks =
me for Oracle documentation I give them the otn address <A = HREF=3D"http://otn.oracle.com" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://otn.oracle.com</A>.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Eric D. Pierce [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:PierceED_at_csus.edu">mailto:PierceED_at_csus.edu</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:41 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: How to deal with the giant =
Oracle</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>My peripheral vision is getting worse with age, =
especially when</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>moving at high speed, but didn't Oracle just come =
out with a huge</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>marketing effort stating that Oracle saved =
$1billion/year by changing</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>over to eCommerce using its own software/solutions? =
How is Oracle</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>going to successfully market its software/solutions =
to the corporate</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>world unless it makes its existing customers =
"eat the dog food"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>first? :)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anyway, I hate to say it, but Metalink can actually =
be better than</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>talking to tech support people sometimes. Just takes =
some getting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>used to.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ep</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On 16 Nov 2000, at 12:42, Wang, Linda wrote:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Date sent: =
Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:42:02 = -0800</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>To: = Multiple = recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com></FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> There have been several experiences that it is =
very difficult to have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the giant Oracle corporation pay attention to =
the small company's DBAs.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Oracle case 1:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Recently, Oracle has changed the Technical =
support service policy to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> let only non-technical personnel pick up the =
phones. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>...</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>background on cultural transformation and social =
change issues:</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://www.tikkun.org/nader_interview.htm" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.tikkun.org/nader_interview.htm</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://www.spiritmatters.net" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.spiritmatters.net</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Here's some of what the most =
thoughtful people are saying about SPIRIT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> MATTERS by Michael Lerner:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
********************************************************</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Two Perfect Holiday Gifts--Every =
serious thinker, every cynical person</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> (including the cynical media), =
every elected official, every healer, every</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> teacher, everyone hoping for =
social change or inner healing should read</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> this book! Help them--get them a =
copy.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> The New York Times</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
********************************************************</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> If you are concerned about your =
health, the health of society and of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> planet, read this book. =
Rabbi Lerner's "emancipatory spirituality" is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> just the right medicine for many =
of the ills of modern life.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Andrew Weil, M.D.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Author of Spontaneous =
Healing</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
********************************************************</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> This book is a miracle and a =
treasure. Please read it! It's a miracle</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> because it can open the heart of =
the most cynical person who denies spirit</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> and thinks its all New Agey =
flakinesss. And at the same time it deepens the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> understanding and spiritual =
depth of those of us who have thought we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> already read all the books on =
spirituality we need and have already been</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> involved in our own spiritual =
practice.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2> &nb= sp; Michael = Lerner is a gifted spiritual teacher and a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> prophetic moral visionary--and =
these come together to produce a manifesto</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> for spiritual transformation and =
a book that will change your own personal</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> life as well. If there's one =
spiritual book you must read and then share</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> with friends, this is it.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> --Marianne Williamson, author of =
The Healing of America and A</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Return to Love,</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
********************************************************</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Profound and compelling, engaging =
and highly readable--it is a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> passionate and =
sophisticated analysis which provides a powerful antidote</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> to a world tranquilized with =
trivia and adrift in drivel. Read it for your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> own soul, and for the soul of the =
world as well.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT =
SIZE=3D2> &nb= sp; --Ken Wilber is author of =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> A Brief History of =
Everything and Integral Psychology</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
********************************************************</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Michael Lerner's exciting project =
of Emancipatory Spirituality--visionary</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> in character and practical in =
content--is a prophetic siren call to all of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> us that progressive poltiics must =
be infused with deep meaning, sustaining</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> community and gut-bucket =
intimacy. Read this book and heed this call!</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> --Cornel West is professor of =
African American Studies and of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Divinity at Harvard University =
and author of Race Matters.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
********************************************************</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Michael Lerner is one of America's =
most important spiritual teachers, a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> contemporary prophet whose =
insightful and visionary thinking has already</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> had a profound impact on American =
culture and thought.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2> &nb= sp; Lerner's Spirit Matters will help progressive politics = get over</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> its fear of things religious and =
spiritual, new age enthusiasts to look</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> beyond themselves to community, =
and conservative religion to value</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> compassion and inclusion over =
fear and intolerance. Rabbi Lerner is a rare</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> and eloquent voice in combining =
matters of the spirit with matters of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> justice.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2> &nb= sp; </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Jim Wallis is Editor-in-Chief of =
Sojourners, the magazine of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Christian Evangelicals, and =
author of Faith Works</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
********************************************************</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Spirit Matters is an essential =
spiritual guide for the mindful progressive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> activist.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> - =
David C. Korten, author The Post-Corporate World: Life After</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Capitalism and board chair</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
********************************************************</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Michael Lerner challenges us to =
let down our cynical guard and contemplate</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> radical new ways of educating our =
children, providing health care for all,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> reorienting our legal system and =
promoting corporate responsibility. But</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Lerner breaks out of the narrow =
economistic vision, insisting that a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> commitment to social justice be =
grounded in spiritual consciousness. Spirit</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Matters is certainly a =
provocative and visionary call to replace corporate</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> globalization with globalization =
of the spirit.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2> &nb= sp; </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Medea Benjamin, Founding Director, =
Global</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Exchange and Green Party of =
California candidate for U.S. Senate</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
***********************************************</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> I loved this book, both as a =
corrective to the old left-right distinctions,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> and to the narcissism of =
spiritual searching that begins and ends with one's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> self. Michael Lerner =
compellingly calls on us to transform ourselves and at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> the same time become engaged in =
the painstaking work of social</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> transformation.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> Arianna Huffington</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> Syndicated columnist</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> How to Overthrow the =
Government</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
************************************************************</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> "Spirit Matters is full of =
the widsom and compassion needed to heal our</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> planet."</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2> =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> --Michael Murphy, chairman, =
Esalen Institute author of Golf and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> the Kingdom</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> =
******************************************************************</FONT= >
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> "Michael Lerner brilliantly =
and beautifully defines how spirituality can</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> infuse our efforts to create a =
world marked by social justice and personal</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> ecstacy. For thsoe of us =
who have experienced "burnout" in our strivings</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> for social change, this book is =
great medicine."</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2> &nb= sp; </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> --Rev. Tony Campolo is a leader of =
the Christian Evangelical :"Call</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> to Renewal" and professor of =
sociology at Eastern College</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>---end---</FONT>
</P>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> INET: PierceED_at_csus.edu</FONT>
</P>
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