RE: Oracle on NT vs Oracle on Linux

From: Satar Naghshineh <Satar.Naghshineh_at_irvine.mellesgriot.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:51:14 -0700
Message-Id: <10639.118496@fatcity.com>

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Hi Chuck...

My Bad, I should have stated that "two reasons, of many, for choosing Linux over NT is it's free and they provide the source code". You're right, there are so many other reasons why to choose Linux over NT. I wasn't being fair to Linux by only stating two reasons.

The assumption was that the decision was between Linux and NT (not "any other operating system to host a business database").
If you told your boss/management/client that you could use Linux, instead of NT, in their business environment and that it will save them a lot of money in NT licensing/admin/hardware costs, they will laugh at you? really?
If free access to source code wasn't a major factor to a majority of customers, then why has Sun Microsystems released their source code? If you're a new startup company, chances are you are using Solaris or Linux with Oracle. The source code will allow the customers to develop and tune their apps with the OS and create new companies/products with new Apps geared towards the growth of the OS.
Isn't support for Red Hat only 40 bucks (US Dollars) a year?

I can understand that technically-challenged companies, who have one or two employees whose only claim to "technical" knowledge is evident through a MCSE certificate that they have so proudly displayed on their "Look At Me" wall of their cubicle or office, will look at NT as their only solution. It will be hard to sell (or even suggest) a real solution to those companies.

Regards,
Satar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Wolfe [SMTP:cwolfe_at_ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:01 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: Oracle on NT vs Oracle on Linux
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I most definitely did NOT say anything in favor of NT, I merely said that
> the factors the poster listed should not be considered relevant for
> choosing an operating system to host a business database. In fact, I much
> prefer Linux (and am currently running RedHat 7 on my laptop), but if I
> mentioned the inclusion of source code and the fact that it can be had for
> free as compelling reasons for a customer to choose Linux over any other
> operating system to host a business database, I would be laughed out of
> the room. Sure, there is lots of support available in the Linux
> community, but is anyone posting to a listserv or newsgroup accountable
> for the advice they post? NO. And speaking of sucking money, Uncle Larry
> definitely ain't running a charitable institution.
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph S. Testa <mailto:teci_at_oracle-dba.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Oracle on NT vs Oracle on Linux
>
> Oh please, there is more support and chance of getting something
> fixed in linux world than EVER IN WINDOZE world. Just how do you expect
> something like NT to run business critical apps when the solution for
> anything that goes wrong is reboot or reload.
>
> yea this is a sore spot, cuz M$ sucks, the software sucks, the
> company sucks people's money.
>
> joe
>
>
>
>
> Wolfe wrote:
>
> For business decision makers, and most DBAs the inclusion of
> operating system source code is not terribly relevant. Free also
> generally implies unsupported or informally supported (i.e. listservs,
> newsgroups...) which is not acceptable for business critical applications.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Satar Naghshineh
> <mailto:Satar.Naghshineh_at_irvine.mellesgriot.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Oracle on NT vs Oracle on Linux
> www.unix-vs-nt.org <http://www.unix-vs-nt.org>
> the kirch paper
>
> Linux is better because it's free and they provide
> the source code.
>
> Regards,
> Satar
>
>

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Hi Chuck...

My Bad, I should = have stated that "two reasons, of many,  for choosing Linux = over NT is it's free and they provide the source code". You're = right, there are so many other reasons why to choose Linux over NT. I = wasn't being fair to Linux by only stating two reasons.

1. The assumption = was that the decision was between Linux and NT (not "any other operating system to host a business = database").

2. If you told your = boss/management/client that you could use Linux, instead of NT, in = their business environment and that it will save them a lot of money in = NT licensing/admin/hardware costs, they will laugh at you? = really?

3. If free access to source code = wasn't a major factor to a majority of customers, then why has Sun = Microsystems released their source code? If you're a new startup = company, chances are you are using Solaris or Linux with Oracle. The = source code will allow the customers to develop and tune their apps = with the OS and create new companies/products with new Apps geared = towards the growth of the OS.

4. Isn't support for = Red Hat only 40 bucks (US Dollars) a year?

I can understand = that technically-challenged companies, who have one or two employees = whose only claim to "technical" knowledge is evident through = a MCSE certificate that they have so proudly displayed on their = "Look At Me" wall of their cubicle or office, will look at NT = as their only solution. It will be hard to sell (or even suggest) a = real solution to those companies.

Regards, Satar

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT =

SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Charles Wolfe =
[SMTP:cwolfe_at_ix.netcom.com]
 Sent:   Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:01 PM To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:       = Re: Oracle on NT vs Oracle on = Linux

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hi Joe,</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">=A0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I most definitely did NOT say =

anything in favor of NT, I merely said that the factors the poster = listed should not be considered relevant for choosing an=A0operating = system to host a business database.=A0 In fact, I much prefer Linux = (and am currently running RedHat 7 on my laptop), but if I mentioned = the inclusion of source code and the fact that it can be had for free = as compelling reasons for a customer to choose Linux over any other = operating system to host a business database, I would be laughed out of = the room.=A0 Sure, there is lots of support=A0available in the Linux = community, but is anyone=A0posting to a listserv or newsgroup = accountable for the advice they post?=A0 NO.=A0 And speaking of sucking = money, Uncle Larry definitely ain't running a charitable institution.</F= ONT>

=A0
 Chuck=A0

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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<BR><B><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">From:</FONT></B><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> =

Joseph S. Testa <<A = HREF=3D"mailto:teci_at_oracle-dba.com">mailto:teci_at_oracle-dba.com</A></FONT= >> 
 To:<FONT =

FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT><U> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
FACE=3D"Arial">Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L &lt;<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com">mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com</A>&gt;=

Sent: = Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:10 PM Subject: = Re: Oracle on NT vs Oracle on Linux

Oh please,=A0=A0 there is more support and = chance of getting something fixed in linux world than = EVER=A0IN=A0WINDOZE world.=A0=A0=A0 Just how do you expect something = like NT to run business critical apps when the solution for anything = that goes wrong is reboot or reload.

yea this is a sore spot, cuz M$ sucks, the = software sucks, the company sucks people's money.

<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">joe<BR>
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">=A0Wolfe wrote: </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">For business decision makers, and most =

DBAs the inclusion of operating system source code is not terribly = relevant.=A0 Free also generally implies unsupported or informally = supported (i.e. listservs, newsgroups...) which is not acceptable for = business critical applications.

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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">From:</FONT></B><FONT =

FACE=3D"Arial"> Satar = Naghshineh <<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:Satar.Naghshineh_at_irvine.mellesgriot.com">mailto:Satar.Nag= hshineh_at_irvine.mellesgriot.com</A>> To: = Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com">mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com</A></FO= NT>>
 Sent: = Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: = RE: Oracle on NT vs Oracle on Linux =A0<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =

FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT><U> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">www.unix-vs-nt.org &lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.unix-vs-nt.org" =

TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.unix-vs-nt.org</A>>=A0 the kirch paper

Linux is better = because it's free and they provide the source code.

Regards,<FONT = Received on Wed Oct 04 2000 - 12:51:14 CDT