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greetings fellow dba's
<rave-n-rant start>
seem to agree with joseph on that one. see, for me, i have been in this field long enough to have forgotten the days when i had to request people to have a look at my resume in the early days.. ocp is especially helpful for such newbie jr dba types. as for senior people its another excuse to run thru the latest and greatest features. i am 8i certified and it does not add up much at this point in my career. i just did it as i had become stagnant doing the same work and had stopped reading new stuff.
rachel, ur statement "....get the interview(usually).it wont get or keep ..." assumes that only newbies are raving and ranting to become OCP's or that OCP is only for such people. What about senior dba's who already have good jobs and have kept it for some time because of their good perf. well for me, i will appear for ocp8i+ or 9i whenever such a thing becomes available, cause i always want to be "in the know" of the latest and greatest features of newer releases.
finally, for newbies, .. some times .. getting the job or not simply depends upon whether they make it or not up to the interview point (generally though,may vary). after that point the learning curve really depends upon the individual and their hunger for more knowledge. however, i totally agree with the norm that --> good dba = (solid experiance + good concepts).
why dont we let everyone do their own thing .. maybe that thing is OCP for some people .. let people be .. without passing judgement on whether what they are doing will help them keep their jobs in future or not... especially in the states where you would think twice about hiring a personal trainer unless he/she is a "certified trainer".
solving prob and getting help/helping people with gotchas in this list is a differnt story though :-)
<rave-n-rant end>
peace and out !
deepAK
PS: my personal trainer is james and he is a "certified trainer". although the reason i hired him was, cause he is a bundle of pure energy and motivation .. in his own words ... baaaammm!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:carmichr_at_hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:06 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: OCP guidance(ranting)
believe it or not, I'm not going to rant.
I am going to say one thing only:
OCP will get you the interview (usually). It won't get or keep the job
>From: "Joseph S. Testa" <teci_at_oracle-dba.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: Re: OCP guidance(ranting)
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:06:45 -0800
>
><soapbox on>
>
>I beg to differ on the junio DBA part, my first job after the military was
>as a
>Unix SA, first day on the job(this is back in '92, oracle 6 days), my new
>boss
>asked, "do you know anything about oracle?", my reply was no, but does it
>come
>with instructions?, She says "yes"(she must have used the term lossely, as
>v6
>install guide was lame at best).
>
>they wanted it installed on the sun os box i was playing SA on. hence my
>career
>in oracle began that way.
>
>with the shortage of people in the oracle dba arena(much less IT),
>companies yes
>are looking for some kind of way to "think" you're a DBA and maybe OCP
>fills it
>for now but passing a test does not make someone a DBA.
>
><soapbox mode off>
>
>Joe
>Going to openworld, lets meet or at least come and introduce yourself, i'll
>be
>presenting.
>
>"Boivin, Patrice J" wrote:
>
> > Some people are focused on OCP because they are changing careers, and so
> > they have to start somewhere.
> >
> > You can't get a job as a junior DBA if you don't have any Oracle
>experience,
> > and the OCP gives people a chance to start somewhere.
> >
> > The OCP also provides a broad base of knowledge re. whatever track you
>are
> > doing. But it doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that you
>are
> > ready to be put in charge of major systems or that you are an expert on
> > Oracle!
> >
> > Having a broad base of knowledge to start with is an advantage, in that
>you
> > know the context before you start. When people learn on the job they
>only
> > know what they did, sometimes this means there are whole areas re.
>Oracle
> > that are completely missed because it is not part of your work
>environment.
> > OCP can help round things off if you are in that situation. Having both
>in
> > my opinion is definitely an asset.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Patrice Boivin
> > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
> > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
> > Technology Services | Services technologiques
> > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
> > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
> >
> > E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph S. Testa [SMTP:teci_at_oracle-dba.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:07 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re: OCP guidance(ranting)
> >
> > Why is are so many people on the list so big on OCP, learn to be
>a
> > DBA
> > first, the OCP will be easy enough after you learn the basics.
> > Being
> > OCP does NOT make you a good DBA( recruiters on the list are you
> > LISTENING??????).
> >
> > and yes I'm OCP but I got 8 years of oracle dba experience to
>back
> > it
> > up, only reason I took it was my current employer at the time,
>paid
> > for
> > the tests and gave me 3K bonus to pass it.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --
> > Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com
> > Oracle 8i documentation online
>http://www.oracle-dba.com/oracle-docs
> > --
> > Author: Joseph S. Testa
> > INET: teci_at_oracle-dba.com
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