Re: OCP guidance(ranting)

believe it or not, I'm not going to rant.

I am going to say one thing only:

OCP will get you the interview (usually). It won't get or keep the job

>From: "Joseph S. Testa" <teci_at_oracle-dba.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: Re: OCP guidance(ranting)
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:06:45 -0800
>
><soapbox on>
>
>I beg to differ on the junio DBA part, my first job after the military was
>as a
>Unix SA, first day on the job(this is back in '92, oracle 6 days), my new
>boss
>asked, "do you know anything about oracle?", my reply was no, but does it
>come
>with instructions?, She says "yes"(she must have used the term lossely, as
>v6
>install guide was lame at best).
>
>they wanted it installed on the sun os box i was playing SA on. hence my
>career
>in oracle began that way.
>
>with the shortage of people in the oracle dba arena(much less IT),
>companies yes
>are looking for some kind of way to "think" you're a DBA and maybe OCP
>fills it
>for now but passing a test does not make someone a DBA.
>
><soapbox mode off>
>
>Joe
>Going to openworld, lets meet or at least come and introduce yourself, i'll
>be
>presenting.
>
>"Boivin, Patrice J" wrote:
>
> > Some people are focused on OCP because they are changing careers, and so
> > they have to start somewhere.
> >
> > You can't get a job as a junior DBA if you don't have any Oracle
>experience,
> > and the OCP gives people a chance to start somewhere.
> >
> > The OCP also provides a broad base of knowledge re. whatever track you
>are
> > doing. But it doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that you
>are
> > ready to be put in charge of major systems or that you are an expert on
> > Oracle!
> >
> > Having a broad base of knowledge to start with is an advantage, in that
>you
> > know the context before you start. When people learn on the job they
>only
> > know what they did, sometimes this means there are whole areas re.
>Oracle
> > that are completely missed because it is not part of your work
>environment.
> > OCP can help round things off if you are in that situation. Having both
>in
> > my opinion is definitely an asset.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Patrice Boivin
> > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
> > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
> > Technology Services | Services technologiques
> > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
> > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
> >
> > E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph S. Testa [SMTP:teci_at_oracle-dba.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:07 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re: OCP guidance(ranting)
> >
> > Why is are so many people on the list so big on OCP, learn to be
>a
> > DBA
> > first, the OCP will be easy enough after you learn the basics.
> > Being
> > OCP does NOT make you a good DBA( recruiters on the list are you
> > LISTENING??????).
> >
> > and yes I'm OCP but I got 8 years of oracle dba experience to
>back
> > it
> > up, only reason I took it was my current employer at the time,
>paid
> > for
> > the tests and gave me 3K bonus to pass it.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --
> > Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com
> > Oracle 8i documentation online
>http://www.oracle-dba.com/oracle-docs
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> > Author: Joseph S. Testa
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