Re: OCP guidance(ranting)

Hi listers,

I agree with Patrice.

Most of the listers are saying that without practice and experience you cannot be a DBA. But this is a catch 22 - where would you get initial practice and experience, to start on a junior position if you have not had enough luck as Joseph to be offered a DBA position when you are SA.

When I was interviewing people, and when I saw that somebody had OCP, I knew that that person should know at least something - definitely not everything. I agree with Deepak that "good dba = (solid experience + good concepts)", and OCP can teach you at least the concepts.

The other question is what is your overall experience. If you are very strong in other database(s), and understand the relational db concepts (which are pretty similar across different databases), preparing OCP exams would give you enough opportunity to learn the oracle specifics.

And finally I think that senior DBAs should be renewing their certification and have knowledge of new features.

Djordje

-----Original Message-----
From: Boivin, Patrice J <BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: OCP guidance(ranting)

>Some people are focused on OCP because they are changing careers, and so
>they have to start somewhere.
>
>You can't get a job as a junior DBA if you don't have any Oracle
experience,
>and the OCP gives people a chance to start somewhere.
>
>The OCP also provides a broad base of knowledge re. whatever track you are
>doing. But it doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that you are
>ready to be put in charge of major systems or that you are an expert on
>Oracle!
>
>Having a broad base of knowledge to start with is an advantage, in that you
>know the context before you start. When people learn on the job they only
>know what they did, sometimes this means there are whole areas re. Oracle
>that are completely missed because it is not part of your work environment.
>OCP can help round things off if you are in that situation. Having both in
>my opinion is definitely an asset.
>
>Regards,
>Patrice Boivin
>Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>
>Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph S. Testa [SMTP:teci_at_oracle-dba.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:07 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: OCP guidance(ranting)
>
> Why is are so many people on the list so big on OCP, learn to be a
>DBA
> first, the OCP will be easy enough after you learn the basics.
>Being
> OCP does NOT make you a good DBA( recruiters on the list are you
> LISTENING??????).
>
> and yes I'm OCP but I got 8 years of oracle dba experience to back
>it
> up, only reason I took it was my current employer at the time, paid
>for
> the tests and gave me 3K bonus to pass it.
>
> Joe
>
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