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RE: Reverse engineer passwords

From: Vincent Ruger <Vincent.Ruger_at_nos.nl>
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:51:21 +0200
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I'm sorry
Oracle is keeping this a secret so you cannot reverse engineer it but you can keep the original password in a temp file, changed it with alter user then check you application.
If all works fine then you know the password isn't related anywhere in the application(s).
Change the next password and so on
If the application fails on invalid password then check the code and if possible change the used password to the new one, or change the encrypted password in dba_users back to original one.

hth

Vincent Ruger

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Van: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]Namens Linda Hagedorn Verzonden: vrijdag 14 juli 2000 19:16
Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Onderwerp: RE: Reverse engineer passwords

Hi Vincent,  

I have the encrypted password, and I want to reverse engineer it to the Ebcdic. Do you have the math or routine?  

Thanks,  

Linda

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Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 5:45 AM
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hi,  

look into dba_users, there y'll find the encrypted password.    

Vincent  

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Van: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]Namens Siva_Chintalapati Verzonden: vrijdag 14 juli 2000 14:09
Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Onderwerp: RE: Reverse engineer passwords

Where does this passwords store.What is that file.Will it be in encrypted form??
Siva



Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 4:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

        Hi,

        You can store the encrypted password in a table, change your password as you like, test your application, if it fails then you know where to look because probably the password will be somewhere in the application or you can put the encrypted pasword back in de original table.

        good luck

        Vicnent Ruger
(Oracle DBA)

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Van: root_at_fatcity.com [ mailto:root_at_fatcity.com <mailto:root_at_fatcity.com> ]Namens Eric Lansu
Verzonden: vrijdag 14 juli 2000 12:15
Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Onderwerp: Re: Reverse engineer passwords

        I hope it's not possible to do this reverse engeneering for it would mean a
serious security-problem.

        Eric Lansu

        > Some passwords are lost, others are in clear text, others are operational
> (somewhere in production), but not known due to turnover. Rather than > possibly break running systems by changing passwords, we (dba staff) would

> like to reverse engineer the passwords in dba_users. 
> 
> Has anyone done this, and if so, will you send the key to me?  Referrals 
to
> documentation are appreciated. 
> 
> Thank you. 
> 
> Linda Hagedorn 
> 
> -- 
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</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Siva </FONT> </P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>---------- = </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Reply To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp; Friday, July 14, 2000 4:35 PM = </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Multiple recipients of = list ORACLE-L </FONT> </P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi, = </FONT> </P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>You can = store the encrypted password in a table, change your</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>password as you like, test your application, if it = fails then you know where</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to look because probably the password will be = somewhere in the application</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>or you can put the encrypted pasword back in de = original table.</FONT> </P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>good luck = </FONT> </P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Vicnent = Ruger </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(Oracle DBA) </FONT> </P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT = SIZE=3D2>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Van: root_at_fatcity.com [ <A = HREF=3D"mailto:root_at_fatcity.com">mailto:root_at_fatcity.com</A> &lt;<A = HREF=3D"mailto:root_at_fatcity.com">mailto:root_at_fatcity.com</A>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>]Namens Eric Lansu </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Verzonden: vrijdag 14 juli 2000 12:15 </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Onderwerp: Re: Reverse engineer passwords </FONT> </P> <BR> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>I hope = it's not possible to do this reverse engeneering for it would</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>mean a </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>serious security-problem. </FONT> </P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Eric Lansu = </FONT> </P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>----- = Original Message ----- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: &quot;Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L&quot; = &lt;ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com&gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, 13 July 2000 22:17 </FONT> </P> <BR> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Some = passwords are lost, others are in clear text, others are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>operational </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; (somewhere in production), but not known due to = turnover.&nbsp; Rather than </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; possibly break running systems by changing = passwords, we (dba staff) would</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; like to reverse engineer the passwords in = dba_users. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Has anyone done this, and if so, will you send = the key to me?&nbsp; Referrals </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; documentation are appreciated. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Thank you. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Linda Hagedorn </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Author: Linda Hagedorn </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; INET: Linda_at_pets.com </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Fat City Network Services&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- =
(858) 538-5051&nbsp; FAX: (858) 538-5051 </FONT>
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