Message-Id: <10557.111943@fatcity.com> From: "Jeffery Stevenson" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:38:26 -0500 Subject: RE: White papers Yep, that whole copyright thing...I guess Oracle figures that they can either tunnel all the up-and-coming DBAs through their site. Is Oracle so strapped for cash that they can't survive without the ad revenue generated from a couple of whitepapers? Don't they realize that this kind of restrictive practice is going to hurt them in the long run? The industry is hurting for _quality_ IT personnel (and the DBA field is definitely one of the areas that can make or break a company). Making it harder for people to get the information hurts the growth of potential high-level DBAs. For a high-end commercial DBMS, you need support...quality support. Would you want someone "learning the ropes" on your customers production systems? Would it hurt your image if your DBMS was crashing/losing data/performing badly around the world because of a general lack of knowledge? "You don't want to use Oracle, I heard tried using Oracle and wound up losing X% of their customers because of database problems." Sure Oracle can gain revenue by filling in some of the gap with their consultants, but where are they going to get those consultants from in the future? Grab people of the street and throw them in a boot camp to mold them in the image of an Oracle consultant? Don't mind me...I'm just ranting a bit. Oracle might have other reasons for the legal action (the people on the site could be telling everyone that it is their work or some-such like that). Jeffery Stevenson Chief Database Geek Medical Present Value, Inc. Austin, TX -----Original Message----- From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Steve Adams Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: White papers Hi Marin, I think you will find that this site is in breach of copyright. I know of several people who have got nasty letters from Oracle Legal and have been forced to remove such material from their sites. Regards, Steve Adams http://www.ixora.com.au/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/orinternals/ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -----Original Message----- From: Marin Dimitrov [SMTP:marin@sirma.bg] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 7:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: White papers > Anyone have a link to oracle white papers? Specifically, I am looking for > the one on minimizing fragmentation, but I would like a link where I can > browse many of the others. "How to stop defragmenting and start living" http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/N032_defragment.pdf "Tips for Effective Space Management inside Your Database" http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/N094_spaceman.doc There are other whitepapers too, just take a look at the index http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/N000_TABLE_OF_CONTENTS.txt hth, Marin ------------ "The important thing for all of us is never look *at* the bars, look *through* them. Because if you keep looking *at* bars, you'll never get anything done, and you'll never have fun in life, any joy." William Wharton, "Pride" -- Author: Marin Dimitrov INET: marin@sirma.bg Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Author: Steve Adams INET: steve.adams@ixora.com.au Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may