Message-Id: <10520.107955@fatcity.com> From: Jared Still Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Your frank opinion > get thru listserv email: 1 hour You can do that in an hour? Jared > > :) > > joe > > > Deepak Sharma wrote: > > > Joe, > > > > Absolutely true. Knowledge is what we get paid for. > > This has been my experience too regd the work I have > > been doing, (esp. Physical DBA). > > > > However, what I don't understand is when people talk > > about supporting 10 peoplesoft databases, what exactly > > do they do. My current client has Peoplesoft financial > > and Order management applications which total upto 12 > > databases in all. Apart from that I am also supporting > > non-peoplesoft databases (4). All I do daily is check > > my email for any outstanding user requests, check the > > Alert logs, run DB monitoring scripts against select > > few databases etc. Apart from this daily activity, > > there are adhoc requests to refresh test from prod, > > fix database errors and so on. This has been the case > > with most of the clients I'd been working with. Now, > > my question to the (Physical) DBAs is, what extra > > stuff they do regularly to come with 40+ Hrs per week. > > > > My formula for 40 Hrs: > > > > 2 Hrs Regular DB support + > > 2 Hrs Email & Web Browsing + > > 1 Hr Lunch + > > 1 Hr Phone + > > 2 Hrs Self Study = Daily 8 Hrs > > > > I know people who genuinely work 40+ Hrs, but most of > > the fellow DBAs I know spend lot of time doing nothing > > concrete. How else could they participate in the stock > > market ? > > > > -- Deepak > > > > --- "Joseph S. Testa" wrote: > > > Deepak, my latest job, i have to agree with you, > > > most weeks its less > > > than 40, rarely ts more than 40. > > > > > > reason that i've come to conclusion is this: > > > > > > they pay me for what i know, not necessarily what i > > > do, knowledge is > > > power(and money these days). > > > > > > they catch is this: dont get stale, read the new > > > documentation when it > > > comes out, buy books, read them and stay on top of > > > the new stuff. > > > > > > > > > Here is a prime example: > > > > > > while at IOUG-A in may, i was paged about a > > > partitioned table, they > > > wanted to move rows between the partitions(ie: > > > change the key value), by > > > dafault you can't do that, so they were panicked > > > enough to potentially, > > > unload millions of rows, change the key value during > > > the unload, > > > truncate the table, and reload all the data. > > > > > > I was studying for 8i OCP exam and had just read > > > about > > > alter table enable row movement; > > > > > > by default row movment is disabled. > > > > > > so they pay me for what I know :) > > > > > > my 2 cents worth. > > > > > > joe > > > Deepak Sharma wrote: > > > > > > > > How many of the DBAs out there frankly work more > > > than > > > > 40 Hrs a week on an average ? I have seen DBAs, > > > > specifically contrators (I'm one myself) put in 10 > > > or > > > > 12 Hrs a day on the paper. In reality, it's the > > > 10-12 > > > > Hrs they sit at work, either showing everyone how > > > busy > > > > they are or creating work out of nowhere so that > > > they > > > > could stay longer at work (and get the extra > > > bucks). > > > > We've all had our chances working 24-36 Hrs on > > > stretch > > > > in crisis situations, but in general, how much > > > > significant work does a DBA have. Most of the time > > > I > > > > find it difficult to fill even the 40 Hrs in the > > > > timesheet. My favorite activity !! Browse this > > > list. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > > > > http://photos.yahoo.com > > > > -- > > > > Author: Deepak Sharma > > > > INET: sharmakdeep@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 > > > FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet > > > access / Mailing Lists > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > > > E-Mail message > > > > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of > > > 'ListGuru') and in > > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > > ORACLE-L > > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be > > > removed from). You may > > > > also send the HELP command for other information > > > (like subscribing). > > > > > > -- > > > Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com > > > Oracle 8i documentation online > > > http://www.oracle-dba.com/oracle-docs > > > -- > > > Author: Joseph S. Testa > > > INET: teci@oracle-dba.com > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > > > (858) 538-5051 > > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet > > > access / Mailing Lists > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > > > E-Mail message > > > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of > > > 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > > ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > > from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information > > > (like subscribing). > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > > http://photos.yahoo.com > > -- > > Author: Deepak Sharma > > INET: sharmakdeep@yahoo.com > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Author: Joseph S. 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