RE: Oracle DBA opening in Englewood, CO

Oh give the guy a break, where's your sense of humour?. You're both being as intolerant as you claim he is!

> he's also an employee
> respect other peoples skills
> start living in teams

You don't know that is/isn't the case.
He's also entitled to his opinion.

> Does your accountant consider you stupid when you ask him or her a
> question regarding a new tax law?

No but,
1. you're assuming an intelligent question and 2. he might think so if I was a book keeper and it was the 3rd time I'd asked. ( same domain )

regards
George.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Maheshwara Rao, L., Teki" <teki01_at_mediaone.net>
> [mailto:teki01_at_mediaone.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:15 PM
> To: smtp_at_inl001@servers["Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>]
> Subject: RE: Oracle DBA opening in Englewood, CO
>
>
> Charles,
>
> agree with you totally. put it very clearly. DBA, after all,
> is also an
> employee and that too he need to respect other peoples skills
> and start
> living in teams.
>
> Maheshwara Rao, L., Teki
> E Mail : teki01_at_mediaone.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Wolfe
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 6:44 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> This has to be one of the most arrogant, self-important posts
> I have seen
> recently on any of the lists. You sound as if you think a DBA is some
> superior form of life, and that everyone else is fortunate
> that we deign to
> even acknowledge their existence.
>
> Get off your high horse. No matter how highly we DBAs may think of
> ourselves, when it comes down to it, a DBA, no matter how
> talented, is yet
> another skilled technician in the IT field. What we do isn't
> astrophysics,
> and it isn't cardio-thoracic surgery. Does your accountant
> consider you
> stupid when you ask him or her a question regarding a new tax
> law? Does
> your doctor consider you stupid when you ask him or her a
> question regarding
> the care you are receiving? Does your garage mechanic
> consider you stupid
> when you ask a question regarding a problem with your car?
>
> Users and developers are not stupid, and to presume that they
> are simply
> because they are unfamiliar with concepts you deal with on a
> daily basis is
> the height of hubris.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:28 AM
>
>
> I agree. The job of the DBA seems to be everything that everyone else
> either doesn't want to do or doesn't have the ability to do.
> We get the
> wonderful task of figuring out all of the things too hard for
> everyone else
> to figure out.
>
> But, I would much rather support developers than users.
> Users ask too many
> stupid questions.
>
> Chris Griffith
> OCP DBA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:15 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> There seems to be differing views here.
>
> I would suggest that this is a very typical jd for many
> production DBA's. I
> would go on to suggest that many DBA's are in deed jack of
> all trades (and
> master of some, I would hope). I have been in roles where I
> sat on my DBA
> throne and dictated to developers on how to optimise their
> code and I have
> been in roles where I did everything from install and
> configure hardware to
> wipe users bums. Your typical DBA does what's needed to get
> the job done.
>
> And I would take a week supporting uses over a day supporting
> developers
> anytime!
>
> Phil West - Impex IT ltd
> Unix Sys Admin and Oracle Financials DBA Services
>
> [ all opinions, unless otherwise stated, are personal
> and subject to change without reason or warning ! ]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:40 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I've been an Oracle DBA for 1.5 years. For the last six
> months I've worked
> as a Java developer, in addition to supporting Oracle databases (all
> development). I'm at a crossroads here, trying to decide on a
> career path.
> Is the job description below pretty typical for DBA work? The idea of
> providing help desk support and end user support is enough to
> make me vomit.
> That is just my personal preference.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 8:04 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> Currently, Great-West Life has a full-time permanent position
> available in
> the
> Financial Services Systems Division working on the Technical
> Infrastructure
> team
> (comprised of System Administrators, Database Administrators
> and System
> Programmers). This challenging and team-oriented environment
> supports our
> rapidly growing Financial Services Division.
>
> Helping to set long-term technical direction for the division, this
> individual
> will be responsible for:
>
> =B7 Providing technical support on UNIX-based distributed
> computing platforms
> (specifically Sun/Solaris systems) for Oracle RDBMS and
> related products
> (e.g.,
> SQL*Plus, Pro*C, PL/SQL, Developer/2000 specifically Forms 4.5,
> Designer/2000,
> Browser).
> =B7 Perform 1st and 2nd Tier Help Desk and end-user support. In this
> capacity,
> will analyze and resolve technical issues relating to:
> - In-house applications
> - 3rd party software
> - Database performance, capacity, recovery
> - Hardware and associated peripherals (some)
> =B7 The installation and management of Oracle related products.
> =B7 Acting as team lead/coordinator of major project
> initiatives related to
> the
> DBA team.
> =B7 Document all operations procedures related to team.
> =B7 Some on-call time required (no more than 1/4 of year as
> primary DBA).
> M
> ust have previous database administration experience,
> specifically with
> Oracle
> v7.x and v8.x, preferably on Sun Solaris environments. Needs
> to be able tom
> ultitask and deal with a high-level of interruptions.
> Strong interpersonal
> and
> communication skills a requirement to succeed in this position. Other
> desirable
> experience:
>
> =B7 Sun Servers, Solaris operating system.
> =B7 EcoTools, Veritas Volume Manager, Veritas File System,
> Veritas Quick I/O.
> =B7 UNIX Tools & Utilities, (C/Bourne/Korn shell, Perl, tar,
> cpio, etc.), NFS,
> NIS, TCP/IP.
> =B7 Intranet, Internet & Extranet, and WEB server environments.
> =B7 Project Management.
> =B7 System Security.
> =B7 Server Capacity Planning and Performance Tuning.
> =B7 X-terminals, Workstations, PCs.
> =B7 Multi-threaded server experience.
>
> This position requires a degree in Computer Science or
> Information Systems,
> or
> equivalent applicable work experience.
>
> Please send resume to :
>
> Alan Bowden
> Great-West Life & Annuity Insurance Company
> 8515 E. Orchard Rd., MS-5T2
> Englewood, CO 80111
> FAX: (303) 737-4850
> EMAIL: alan.bowden_at_gwl.com
>
>
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