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NUP Licence question [message #674327] Mon, 21 January 2019 10:55 Go to next message
phil77
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Hello,
Can someone help me with my understanding of NUP licence metric please?

Scenario.
2 x 2 cpu VMWare Host, no other VMWare hosts.
Oracle 12c SE2
7 Oracle VM database servers and 5 Weblogic Application VM Servers

My understanding is, for Perpetual Processor licences I would licence the 2 Physical hosts per socket (Max 2 occupied) so 4 SE2 licences. (There being no other VMWare hosts)

How would NUP licencing work if we were to use that? Do I have to get NUP licence per Oracle instance or would it be the max total number of people who would use any of the Oracle instances on the cluster?
eg, total max number of users per each instance out of 7 instances
or
one of the VM Oracle instances has 500 users, the rest perhaps around 50 each, I only need to licence the 500 as that is the maximum on the physical host?

Thanks,
Phil
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674329 is a reply to message #674327] Mon, 21 January 2019 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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Fifty NUP licences is the same price as one processor licence. So NUP makes no sense for you, you need 4 processor licences.
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674340 is a reply to message #674329] Tue, 22 January 2019 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
phil77
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Hi, thanks.
I am trying to extrapolate to a full VM environment (which i didn't mention).
If we were to increase the VMWare environment considerably, we have 12 processor licences from old decommissioned servers.
12*50 = 600 users.
If we have 500 users in the organisation, can i convert to 600 NUP which would cover every VM Oracle database server i would create in the environment?
Say 1 database had 500 users and I had 10 other databases with around 50 users each. Do i only need to get 500 NUP or do I need to get a 500 NUP plus 10 * 50 separate NUP licences?
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674354 is a reply to message #674340] Tue, 22 January 2019 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oracle licensing questions should be directed to local Oracle sales representative or authorized Oracle reseller.

Licensing question answers from this or any other forum are not definitive & not binding for anyone.
Answers from here are not worth the electrons they are written with.
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674355 is a reply to message #674354] Tue, 22 January 2019 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
phil77
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Yeah, I was hoping to see what the majority consensus was. My experience with getting solid licence information from Oracle is like getting blood from a stone.
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674356 is a reply to message #674340] Tue, 22 January 2019 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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phil77 wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 09:40
Hi, thanks.
I am trying to extrapolate to a full VM environment (which i didn't mention).
If we were to increase the VMWare environment considerably, we have 12 processor licences from old decommissioned servers.
12*50 = 600 users.
If we have 500 users in the organisation, can i convert to 600 NUP which would cover every VM Oracle database server i would create in the environment?
Say 1 database had 500 users and I had 10 other databases with around 50 users each. Do i only need to get 500 NUP or do I need to get a 500 NUP plus 10 * 50 separate NUP licences?
So you already have twelve processor licences? In that case, I do not understand your question at all. I've never heard of anyone converting processor licences to NUP licences, it would be silly. And in any case, as I said before once you reach fifty users NUP is pointless.
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674357 is a reply to message #674356] Tue, 22 January 2019 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
phil77
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Yes, it's not something I think would work but I am just trying to understand how it works.
If we end up with a VMWare environment of 64 sockets my 12 licences won't cover much of that given Oracle's stance on VMWare.
A licence person (not Oracle) we were talking to yesterday said we could consider converting to NUP (which they have done in the past) but I thought NUP was per database rather than per entire infrastructure.
eg, I would need a separate NUP licence per database rather than one NUP licence that covers all the databases on all the VMs.
He said if we had NUP we could have as many Physical VMWare hosts as we like as long as we were covered for max number of users.
I've never had NUP licences before and couldn't quite figure that out relating to VMware.
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674358 is a reply to message #674357] Tue, 22 January 2019 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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Ah, that makes a bit more sense.

You buy NUP licences per processor, not per database. So if you have 20 users accessing a machine with two CPUs (note that two sockets is the max for which SE2 is permitted) then no matter how many database instances you run on that machine you would need forty NUPs for that machine, which would be cheaper than two processor licences. This should explain it,
https://www.oracle.com/assets/databaselicensing-070584.pdf
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674359 is a reply to message #674358] Tue, 22 January 2019 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
phil77
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Great thanks John, that makes sense and I can safely say based on that we won't want to licence a VMWare 64 socket environment on Processor or NUP basis!
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674360 is a reply to message #674359] Tue, 22 January 2019 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
phil77
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Actually, saying that. If i can convert 12 Processor licences to 600 NUP
I have 64 sockets * 10 minimum users for SE2 (NUP) = 640
As long as I have equal or less than 640 Oracle users total then I only need to get 40 more NUP and I could licence across the whole 32 Host (64 socket) VM Environment.
If i have understood that correctly
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674361 is a reply to message #674360] Tue, 22 January 2019 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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Well, yes, except that you could have only ten distinct people using each machine. You said your databases had between fifty and five hundred.
Re: NUP Licence question [message #674369 is a reply to message #674361] Wed, 23 January 2019 06:37 Go to previous message
phil77
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Ahh yes, fatal flaw in my logic.
Thanks!
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