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Standalone Database [message #615240] Sun, 01 June 2014 06:08 Go to next message
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Hello,

We have installed Oracle RAC Database( 2 NODE) in DC site, we want to create a new database(Standalone) in DR site. Datafile of DC will replicate in DR site and DR Standalone database mount from that datafiles . please help me .



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Re: Standalone Database [message #615251 is a reply to message #615240] Sun, 01 June 2014 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are you trying to set up Data Guard? If so, what is the problem?
Re: Standalone Database [message #615252 is a reply to message #615251] Sun, 01 June 2014 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks
We have created data guard in DC site ,we want to create another database in DR site that database mount with DC datafiles, If DC site unavailabe than we mount DR site database. SAN (stoarage Area Network) data will replicate from DC (database) to DR(database) site.


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Re: Standalone Database [message #615253 is a reply to message #615252] Sun, 01 June 2014 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Where is the question?

Re: Standalone Database [message #615254 is a reply to message #615252] Sun, 01 June 2014 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do not understand you. Perhaps someone else does,
Re: Standalone Database [message #615255 is a reply to message #615254] Sun, 01 June 2014 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,

We have installed Oracle RAC Database(2 NODE) in DC site. SAN (stoarage Area Network) data will replicate from DC (database) to DR(database) site.
we want to create a new database(Standalone) in DR site. Datafile of DC(RAC DB) will replicate in DR site and DR Standalone database mount from that datafiles. Please help us how to create DR database.


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Re: Standalone Database [message #615258 is a reply to message #615255] Sun, 01 June 2014 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So you want to create a standby database or not?

Re: Standalone Database [message #615263 is a reply to message #615258] Sun, 01 June 2014 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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not stanadby database
Re: Standalone Database [message #615267 is a reply to message #615263] Sun, 01 June 2014 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What is the difference between a standby database and what you want to do?

Re: Standalone Database [message #615272 is a reply to message #615267] Sun, 01 June 2014 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In DC ,we have installed RAC ( 2 NODE) , when DC unavailable , DR database will be Live.


DR database will be E:\Projects_CBS\DR_database

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Sounds like a physical standby database to me. Or are you trying to avoid paying licence fees for the DR site?
Re: Standalone Database [message #615274 is a reply to message #615273] Sun, 01 June 2014 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We have purchase Oracle licence for RAC, Data Guard also Cloud control. DR site in standalone database is very much vital for us.
Re: Standalone Database [message #615275 is a reply to message #615272] Sun, 01 June 2014 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If SAN replication is synchronous, there is nothing to do, just start the DR database when DC is down.

Re: Standalone Database [message #615276 is a reply to message #615274] Sun, 01 June 2014 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mirasraf wrote on Sun, 01 June 2014 16:45
We have purchase Oracle licence for RAC, Data Guard also Cloud control. DR site in standalone database is very much vital for us.
There is no such thing as a licence for Data Guard, it is part of Enterprise Edition. There is no such thing as a licence for Cloud Control, you licence the individual managed resources, not OEM. So, to repeat, have you licensed the DR site? If you have, use Data Guard. If you haven't, you can't start an database instance there.
Re: Standalone Database [message #615277 is a reply to message #615276] Sun, 01 June 2014 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John, if I understand him correctly this is a SAN replication of all database files. If you cut the SAN link and start the database on the DR site Oracle will think there has been an instance shutdown and will do an instance recovery.

Re: Standalone Database [message #615279 is a reply to message #615277] Sun, 01 June 2014 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes , Michel Cadot, your are right.. we want this type of DR database, so please help us how to create This system.
Re: Standalone Database [message #615280 is a reply to message #615277] Sun, 01 June 2014 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michel Cadot wrote on Sun, 01 June 2014 17:02

John, if I understand him correctly this is a SAN replication of all database files. If you cut the SAN link and start the database on the DR site Oracle will think there has been an instance shutdown and will do an instance recovery.

I agree with you on this - but I have never made it work. That will be because I have never had the SAN replication working synchronously. The Sys admins do not understand what is needed.
I'm sure it does work, but I have no confidence in being able to set it up.
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mirasraf wrote on Sun, 01 June 2014 17:22
Yes , Michel Cadot, your are right.. we want this type of DR database, so please help us how to create This system.
You have a specific problem: it is illegal for you to test, if you have not licensed the DR site. As you have repeatedly ignored questions about that, I assume that it is not licensed and that the whole idea is to avoid the need to license it. OK, no problem. But it means that you have get rock-solid guarantee from your SAN vendor and from Oracle that it will work. Because you can't test it.
Re: Standalone Database [message #615283 is a reply to message #615280] Sun, 01 June 2014 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
but I have never made it work. That will be because I have never had the SAN replication working synchronously.


I had it (in an investment banking client) and it works. Oracle is really strong.


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mirasraf wrote on Sun, 01 June 2014 18:22
Yes , Michel Cadot, your are right.. we want this type of DR database, so please help us how to create This system.


As I said, there is nothing to do at Oracle side.
(Almost) All is made by your storage team.

Re: Standalone Database [message #615293 is a reply to message #615284] Sun, 01 June 2014 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michel and John, per your responses, I have a question. Do you guys mean/agree respectively that data guard licensing is not a part of Oracle Enterprise editiin having all components included? Components for example RAC...
Re: Standalone Database [message #615294 is a reply to message #615293] Sun, 01 June 2014 14:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Data Guard is part of EE, but the broker not (at least the last time I checked it but license contents changed so often...).

Re: Standalone Database [message #615295 is a reply to message #615294] Sun, 01 June 2014 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,

please help to build database
Re: Standalone Database [message #615296 is a reply to message #615295] Sun, 01 June 2014 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What didn't you understand to what I said?
I advise you to hire someone and validate to do this, you are not skilled enough.

Re: Standalone Database [message #616344 is a reply to message #615296] Mon, 16 June 2014 01:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,

We open database whose datafiles replicate(SAN 2 SAN) from remote RAC DB datafiles.

Re: Standalone Database [message #618980 is a reply to message #616344] Thu, 17 July 2014 02:16 Go to previous message
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mirasraf wrote on Mon, 16 June 2014 06:15
Hello,

We open database whose datafiles replicate(SAN 2 SAN) from remote RAC DB datafiles.



How do you open the database normally?
What's difficult thing you or your team or your hire DBA, System Admin face?
The synchronization SAN-to-SAN, even Storage-to-Storage always has got one difficult thing. When you got success synchrony, you must have got it. Tell me what's it?
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