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Plagiarism? [message #604423] Mon, 30 December 2013 08:27 Go to next message
EdStevens
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The other day I stumbled across this: http://www.dbametrix.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1587

Which looks suspiciously like this: http://www.orafaq.com/forum/mv/msg/190306/600789/#msg_600789

Now, the entire thread of the first is not an exact copy, but the opening post and a few of the replies are.

I know I am not posting on other forums under a different name .... and somehow I doubt Lalit is, either ...

Does anyone have any knowledge of what's going on at dbametrix?

Re: Plagiarism? [message #604425 is a reply to message #604423] Mon, 30 December 2013 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No doubt it is.
Many forums are just a copy of topics of well-known forums. This one is special, it changes the names and dates.
Are you register to see the team?

Note one of their rules is "Members are asked to respect the copyright of other users, sites, media, etc. ", so maybe Frank would copyright the content of this site to put an end to this plagiarism. Razz



Re: Plagiarism? [message #604434 is a reply to message #604425] Mon, 30 December 2013 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michel Cadot wrote on Mon, 30 December 2013 09:00

No doubt it is.
Many forums are just a copy of topics of well-known forums. This one is special, it changes the names and dates.
Are you register to see the team?

Note one of their rules is "Members are asked to respect the copyright of other users, sites, media, etc. ", so maybe Frank would copyright the content of this site to put an end to this plagiarism. Razz





When I saw it, I registered and that itself was rather interesting. An autoresponse said my application would have to be reviewed and approved by a moderator and I would receive an email notification. Never got the email, but I tried logging on anyway .. and was successful. I then posted into that thread, pointing out the duplication, and was again autoresponded that my post would be reviewed for approval. It still hasn't shown up (just a couple of hours though, and approval comes from the other side of the planet). It will be interesting to see if it is approved at all, and if so what response it might draw.
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604436 is a reply to message #604434] Mon, 30 December 2013 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So, wait and see. Smile

Re: Plagiarism? [message #604441 is a reply to message #604436] Mon, 30 December 2013 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I see that the same problem with other sites copying threads and changing them has been noted on the OTN forums:

https://community.oracle.com/thread/2614858
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604453 is a reply to message #604423] Mon, 30 December 2013 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EdStevens wrote on Mon, 30 December 2013 19:57


I know I am not posting on other forums under a different name .... and somehow I doubt Lalit is, either


+1.
I use same handle(my real name) on all other forums.

After looking at both the links, even I feel this post in DBAmetrix forum has been simply duplicated to a great extent. Blackswan's replies have been copy pasted by some user "helendba".
And my reply is copy pasted by some user "smith_dba".

I confirm, I am not "smith_dba" and I don't know any such person either. That entire thread in DBAmetrix is just fake. Plagiarism at it's height.
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604478 is a reply to message #604453] Tue, 31 December 2013 06:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also, the entire forum of DMAMetrix looks like a replica of Tim Hall's Oracle-Base.

DBAMetrix and Oracle-Base
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604487 is a reply to message #604436] Tue, 31 December 2013 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michel Cadot wrote on Mon, 30 December 2013 11:33

So, wait and see. Smile



After waiting a day, I tried to log back in this morning and got

You have been permanently banned from this board.

It would appear they didn't like my pointing out their little game ...
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604493 is a reply to message #604487] Tue, 31 December 2013 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Laughing

Re: Plagiarism? [message #604505 is a reply to message #604487] Tue, 31 December 2013 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EdStevens wrote on Tue, 31 December 2013 18:45

You have been permanently banned from this board.


./fa/1987/0/
They don't want to spoil their little game during new year celebrations.
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604513 is a reply to message #604487] Tue, 31 December 2013 10:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The IP address of www.dbametrix.net also hosts www.kendba.com, which claims to be an Oracle training organization.

I think it is an Apache web listener with two virtual hosts. If I were to write a little procedure with an endless loop that calls utl_tcp.open_connection to their address, how many sessions do you think I would need to bring down the web site? Possibly only a few hundred.

Please note: I have no intention of doing this, it is merely idle speculation. I have often thought that an Oracle database would be a very powerful tool for a DOS attack.
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604516 is a reply to message #604513] Tue, 31 December 2013 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
If I were to write a little procedure with an endless loop that calls utl_tcp.open_connection to their address, how many sessions do you think I would need to bring down the web site?


Smile

I often though that too towards the bl... spammers.

Re: Plagiarism? [message #604520 is a reply to message #604513] Tue, 31 December 2013 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John Watson wrote on Tue, 31 December 2013 10:11
The IP address of www.dbametrix.net also hosts www.kendba.com, which claims to be an Oracle training organization.

I think it is an Apache web listener with two virtual hosts. If I were to write a little procedure with an endless loop that calls utl_tcp.open_connection to their address, how many sessions do you think I would need to bring down the web site? Possibly only a few hundred.

Please note: I have no intention of doing this, it is merely idle speculation. I have often thought that an Oracle database would be a very powerful tool for a DOS attack.


John, I also posted about this on OTN, where a respondent thought to do a "whois" at networksolutions.com (I'm not enough of a web guy to remember things like that off the top of my head). Seems the site is registered on godaddy to one "Gitesh Trivedi". A google search on his name turned up some interesting hits on self-promotion. As an ironic twist, one of the google hits was a thread on in.answers.yahoo.com, where someone was asking anyone to post content from a book of interview questions by Gitesh Trivedi. The sole answer was "Buy a legal copy of the book. Don't steal from Gitesh Trivedi." Seems Gitesh Trivedi doesn't mind his own site stealing content from others ... I can't advocate malicious actions against his site, but can't help but wonder about the outcome of Google picking up these discussions in response to searches on "Gitesh Trivedi" or "oracle interview questions" or "dbametrix solutions" or "kendba" ....
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604576 is a reply to message #604520] Wed, 01 January 2014 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One final observation (I've already spent way more time on this than I can really justify).

Last night I spent about 30 minutes seeing if this was a pattern or if the thread I found was a one-time event. It appears to be a pattern.

I went to the "Oracle Database Administration" forum at dbametrix and just started down the list, opening each thread in turn. I'd copy the entire opening sentence, then google that. Most, but not all, of the threads I checked turned up a matching thread from orafaq. The few that did not have a match on orafaq did not seem to have a match anywhere else, either.

At this point I am amused, irritated, and curious. Curious as to what they think they are acomplishing. There is no commercial content on the site, and no obvious links to the other sites run by Gitesh Trivedi, so it doesn't appear to be a matter of driving traffic to their commercial operation.

However, the high "match rate" I see between dbamatrix and here suggests the operators of this board may have a case ...
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604583 is a reply to message #604576] Wed, 01 January 2014 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Usually, most of the cyber crimes directs to Russia. As the name Gitesh Trivedi is coming up, he must be an Indian origin.

Where does the IP directs to? I mean which country or geographic location precisely?
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604587 is a reply to message #604583] Wed, 01 January 2014 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lalit Kumar B wrote on Wed, 01 January 2014 11:38
Usually, most of the cyber crimes directs to Russia. As the name Gitesh Trivedi is coming up, he must be an Indian origin.

Where does the IP directs to? I mean which country or geographic location precisely?


It's most definitely from India. See http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=dbametrix.net

I don't think there is any real criminal intent here, just a very cheesy business practice being conducted by Gitesh Trivedi. And to no discernible benefit. I would think the owners of orafaq would be interested in looking into it.
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604591 is a reply to message #604587] Wed, 01 January 2014 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
It's most definitely from India.


As almost all plagiarist sites.

Gitesh Trivedi also owns some Yahoo groups which provide exam dumps and illegal copies of many things.

Re: Plagiarism? [message #604682 is a reply to message #604423] Thu, 02 January 2014 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok, I guess this is like a car wreck, I'm too fascinated by it to go on and look the other way. During lunch I looked for some more instances, and found one that looks like a work in progress ..

http://www.dbametrix.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1599
http://www.orafaq.com/forum/t/190862/0/

The dbametrix thread was just started a few days ago, and only has one message ... a duplicate of the opening message in the orafaq thread. I'll watch it for a few days and see if it 'just happens' to get some responses that also match the orafaq thread.

Re: Plagiarism? [message #604686 is a reply to message #604682] Thu, 02 January 2014 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ed, Indeed a nice observation. It seems to be an incremental work of plagiarism(really their work is in progress).
Re: Plagiarism? [message #604687 is a reply to message #604686] Thu, 02 January 2014 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lalit Kumar B wrote on Thu, 02 January 2014 13:19
Ed, Indeed a nice observation. It seems to be an incremental work of plagiarism(really their work is in progress).



Hmm, if it does start to develop, perhaps we should 'seed' the orafaq thread with a message specifically mentioning piracy by dbametrix ...
I have seen some of the purloined threads that bypassed a message in the original, but at least it might put them "on notice". Cool

Re: Plagiarism? [message #605127 is a reply to message #604682] Tue, 07 January 2014 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EdStevens wrote on Thu, 02 January 2014 23:41
http://www.dbametrix.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1599
http://www.orafaq.com/forum/t/190862/0/


I just looked into the links again, and the dbametrix thread started to develop. I see a 3rd post which is exactly similar to our Orafaq forum posts.
Re: Plagiarism? [message #605146 is a reply to message #605127] Tue, 07 January 2014 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep. I have identified two threads that are 'in progress'. I posted about them in the threads themselves, curious to see if they would continue to copy. In both cases, there have been new posts show up today. One with just enough "editorial change" to indicate they are doing this by hand.

see my additions at http://www.orafaq.com/forum/t/190862/ and http://www.orafaq.com/forum/t/190775/


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Re: Plagiarism? [message #605153 is a reply to message #605146] Tue, 07 January 2014 11:47 Go to previous message
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I wish something could be done to stop this cybercrime of plagiarism at such a level.
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